Earn Money Writing for Textbroker.com

| August 25, 2008 | 1,216 Comments

In an earlier post I mentioned Textbroker.com as a way for newbies to make money. It seems to be a legitimate site whereby upon acceptance, you’re paid for your article. I do have to warn you, however, that the pay scale is rather low.

Here’s how it works. You go to Textbroker.com and sign up for an account. After you agree to their terms and conditions (you have to check the checkbox), they’ll send you an email through which you can activate your account.

After your account is activated, you have to give them a sample of your writing. In my case, they listed 4 topics from which I had to choose one and write an article with a minimum of 120 words. They use the article to grade your writing on a scale of 1 to 5.

I ended up in the middle with a grade of 3. The higher your grade level, the higher the pay scale. I’ve got to admit, unless there is a tremendous jump in payment from a level 3 to a level 5, it’s barely worth it in my opinion.

Here’s a sample of the difference between a grade 2 and 3. I’d love to hear from Textbroker writers who have a higher rating to see if the pay scale increases significantly.


Level 2 Pay Scale

Level 3 Pay Scale

Armed with your rating, you get to choose topics on which to write. They will only display topics for which your rating qualifies. After you select the topic, you follow the instructions and write and submit the article accordingly and wait for approval (or revision if necessary).

Upon approval, your earnings remain in your Textbroker account until they exceed $10. Once your balance exceeds $10 you may request payment. Textbroker pays by PayPal by the 10th of each month. You must put in your request for payment before the 5th of the month. If not, your balance is rolled over to the next month.

Just for grins, I signed up and wrote a 320-word article for a payout of $1.54. Like I said, it was just for grins. I’m still waiting to see if it will be approved.

I don’t think Textbroker is a service that I’ll use, but for newbies looking to get their feet wet and earn a bit of cash, give it a try.

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Felicia A. Williams is a freelance writer and blogger. She spends the majority of her time with her family and writing. If she’s not writing or commenting on NJFM, she’s either outside smelling the roses or writing articles for one of her other sites.

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  1. Grandma says:

    Hi, just a little update on Textbroker. I noticed a news item that they now have grown from 0 to 100 employees in Las Vegas office. Quite a boost. https://www.textbroker.com/us/news.php#news_49

    I still liked them better a couple years ago when they were smaller! 🙂

  2. Peggy says:

    I have not been on this forum for so long. I’m no longer writing non-fiction. Just finished my second novel and since my lit agent retired, I’m actively seeking new representation I wish you all the best in your writing. You are ALL “five stars” as far as I’m concerned.

  3. Heilagr says:

    For those who still follow this article I thought I’d let all of you know that text broker has like 15000 level 4 articles at the moment.

    This is a huge chance for you to make a bunch of money. Not sure what they are about because I am a level 3 author. All I know is I wish they had been on level 3. lol

    • Grandma says:

      They are catalog descriptions of retail websites, very short, like 28 to 33 words each that pay 39 cents to 46 cents each. Shorties. THere are still 14,800+ left. Some writers say they are approved quickly.

  4. J. says:

    Hi everyone. I am a 5-star Textbroker author. I agree with others about the unsettling changes at the company, which frustrate many authors. I have been with the company for over 2 years, and have had only 2 experiences that are similar to those described by others on this forum. After my first and only rejection, I vowed to never again revise an article unless I knew the request was legitimate. After the new editors came on board and I got an article rated at a level 3, I vowed to understand and master the comma rules.

    I will tell you all my secret to happiness: I aim for Direct Orders, I join many teams, and I am prepared to NOT write any article if I know very well that I can’t do a good job. I look for easy articles from clients who are not picky (love the payday loan client). Also, I double-check my hyphens, semi-colon usage, comma rules and test myself on newsroom101.com on a regular basis. I restrict my ideas to one thought per paragraph. I have made mistakes, but never the same one twice. I understand the logic behind the rules, so they don’t piss me off. I look things up in the AP Stylebook or elsewhere before I write a sentence using morphemes that are outside of my current lexicon. Generally, I stick to a flow of ideas that demonstrates my understanding of The Textbroker Style; however, I also look for opportunities to sparkle the text. I also have a quiet living environment. I am writing for money, so the rules don’t bother me any more than other job requirements have in the past **sniffle**. If I proofread something I wrote and my eyes stumble across the line, I assume something is wrong, and I change the sentence. I don’t get too involved in the forums, but there are some people there who take the time to provide very useful tips on how to improve. This is my business, and I invested a lot of time in developing a consistent style before I received my 5, or five, stars. I asked for a review before I was promoted. The editor made a mistake, and I sent an email back correcting his error. I was promoted within an hour. Be careful. Textbroker is a corporate rat mill, but now I make $20 for 400 words. My writing has improved, and I recently applied for and won a $5,000 grant. This business style of writing was invaluable. Not everyone has my sense of stick-to-it-ness, or just stubbornness, but I felt I needed to let others know how I did it. It was not easy, and I put in a lot of extra time and effort. I had a backup plan for the dark times, of which there were many… good luck to everyone.

    By the way, the madness doesn’t end at five stars. One mistake and one could be right back down at a level-four income. Ouch. The pain here never ends: It’s just the thing a writer needs!

    (Case-in-point: If I was unsure about this use of a colon, I would check the TB blogs and the AP Stylebook before using it. If I could successfully argue the case in front of a TB judge, I would use it. If not, I would simply rephrase the sentence and call it a day. Hello, “a day.” Internalizing these rules promotes speed and income. This is the best way to survive at TB… to the best of my knowledge). Also, NEVER use parentheses or ellipses! Above all, get silly after work….I have to go now…

    • bknabe says:

      J.,

      I waver between 3 and 4. I would say the experience is improving my writing, but it’s hard to tell from the TB rating reports. Problems seem to have different weight depending on who rates the article. Some editors leave feedback, some just give the rating. Team orders are saving my bacon, if I could just get on more teams. If I could find another steady secondary income source with the same flexibility I’d leave TB in a second.

      I’m not one of those people who can throw together 500 words in 20 minutes on most topics. I have to research and make sure I’m giving accurate information even if my name will never be on it. Not that the speedy authors are giving bad information. I’m just a little more anal, I suppose. The convenience of being able to work on my lunch break or at any hour of day or night is what makes the $3-$10 an hour worth it.

    • Grandma says:

      Hi – Could you possibly give us a little more information about the grant? Was that from the SBA? Thanks –

  5. Ken Muise says:

    Paul,

    LOL! You really put yourself out there with this group! We’re salivating for writing work.

    @Felicia…Methinks’ a job board with paid membership may prove lucrative, ma’am LOL!

  6. Bert says:

    I started at Textbroker with a 4. After my first 5 articles I was dropped to a 3 for two types of errors. One was failure to put a comma after an introductory clause in 2 articles (1 time in each). The second was typing numerals for numbers smaller than 10 instead of typing them out.

    Ok, fine. I was willing to write more articles, being careful to type ‘five’ instead of ‘5’ but there are very few articles rated for ‘3’ level, and those seem to require research. I’m not spending an hour researching the science behind ‘PAFlow pipes’ for roughly $3. The instructions specifically request the science behind the technology.

    • Molark says:

      Textbroker is unfair. They will promote the writers they favor. There’s a heavy Germanic overview. Your writing turns out limp and feckless. You do learn AP style very well, and you learn there is a Textbroker version that is really quite hideous. As a practical matter, you do learn to control styles and pay is dependable. I do like their service, but keep your writing style independent from theirs. I’ve found there are other, better copywriting services. Be careful when commenting on their ‘forums’ unless you get on to kiss their favorites.

  7. Paul G says:

    Just signed up yesterday as a buyer on TB. Doing some research now. Backwards I am.
    Anyways, you can see why I need a writer. From reading the comments on this blog, TB may not be the way to go. If that’s the case, where should I go? TB did seem awfully cheap. I’ll probably feel bad for the writer if I get good results. I’m trying to fill two websites with content. 30 pages with around 200-300 words.
    I know what I want but I just don’t have the ability to put it in writing.
    Yes, I realize that this article was posted in 2008, but the comments are current.

    • Felicia says:

      Sorry for the late comment approval. Hopefully some of the readers here can help out (if it’s not too late).

    • Ignatius says:

      Paul,
      You can put an ad on any of several sites for writers or you can put an ad on Craigslist and it will get picked up by many of those same sites. Put specifics in your Craigslist ad. Don’t use your primary email address. You will probably get a ton of responses.

      The other option is to put out a few test articles at Level 4 on Textbroker and offer Direct Orders at a higher price to the writers who seem to know your topics. A 200-300 word article is pretty cheap and you can always use the extra test ones for SEO.

      • Paul G says:

        I just completed my first project using Text Broker. I was filling in a test/additional website for my company. The level of writing worked well for me.
        I submitted a job for one page, I like the writers technique and used him/her for the rest of the project. The level of writing wasn’t exceptional but I just made the corrections and changes that I needed. I just couldn’t see myself sending the article back for changes at the price I was paying. I ended up getting 7 250-300 word articles for $33. Doesn’t get much cheaper than that. I ended up tipping the author $10 because I had that much left in the the account.
        I tried to post on writer’s den but couldn’t find a way to do it. It appeared to be some type of closed/exclusive club for writer’s only.

        I don’t think Craigslist would be a direction I would go in as I am just not comfortable enough the the thought.

        • Paul G says:

          Well, I’m ready to redo my primary website(which I see has been visited by a few of you). I’m still not sure what direction to go in. Where to post the job and what would be most beneficial to me and fair to the writers.
          Craigslist is OUT
          TextBroker works
          Contently hasn’t been talked up enough here, IMO.
          I appreciate the offers here and the one person who emailed me directly but there are coordination, copyright and payment issues.

          I could post it here but I don’t think Felicia wants her blog turned into a Job Board. Of course this post is from 2008 and still active!

          • Felicia says:

            Paul, you’re right, I don’t want this to turn into a Job Board, but your offer appears to be legit and it can help my readers, so feel free to post the info here.

          • Paul G says:

            Thanks, Felicia.

            I am reworking a computer repair website. I need 37 500-word articles written. I want them written by the same author so they have the same tone/flavor/feel.
            Article Requirements:
            Sales Pitch (not over the top)
            keyword specific (i.e. virus removal)
            grammatically correct (3-5 level based on TB)
            specific keyword repetition(7-8 times)

            To see an idea of what I’m talking about, you can look at the work I talked about having done earlier with TB: http://www.computerrepairlakecharles.com/it-services/

            For the project I’m talking about now I would like the word count to double and the writing level elevated some.

            Future work that would have no bearing on this projects cost would be weekly articles commenting on the weeks technology news(author’s point of view, proper citations/links for sources, author given credit as a guest writer for the website)

            Alright, what I’m looking for from your readers is a writer’s point of view on how should I handle the following:
            find a writer
            set conditions of agreement(quality/copyright)(I’m not a lawyer)
            determine cost
            verify work is not plagiarized/copyrighted elsewhere
            have some recourse is writer resells work later

            Should I go back to TB, I was happy with it but some of your writers seem to not like them.

          • Courtney P. says:

            Hi,

            I’m Courtney. I commented on your topic earlier in the thread. I can send you examples of my work and price range if you like. Once you purchase my articles, they are yours to keep. If you want to add a byline that would be great, but it is not necessary. I run all of my articles through copyscape before I send them in to make sure they are 100% original. You can e-mail me at gabcc89[at]Yahoo[dot]com for more information.
            Thanks!

          • Paul G says:

            I appreciate your offer, Courtney and I will keep you in consideration.
            What I was trying to do here though is to get a discussion started.
            Do you have a TB account? Should I route directly to you? Is this better handled directly? What are your ideas on handling the issues I stated above? What do you think is a fair price for a project like this?

          • Courtney P. says:

            I have a Textbroker account or it can be directly routed to me. Most writers have paypal accounts that you can pay them through. They make an invoice and send it to your Paypal account. For a level 4 writer, Textbroker pays about 1.5 cents per word which is a fair amount for the kind of work you want. When you go through Textbroker, the amount you see will be 30% higher because they take a commission.

            For copyright issues, you can always put any work sent to you through copyscape. This program costs about 5 cents per article scanned and will ensure that there is nothing similar online. With Textbroker or with an individual writer, you can always send back an article that is not the correct quality level or is similar to other articles on-line.

            If you choose to do Textbroker, the only way to ensure that the articles have the same voice is to set up direct orders. You could also create a team and have several people working on it.

            Does that answer your questions? If you have any other questions, just ask!

            Thanks,

            Courtney

          • A.Walton says:

            Good morning, Paul. Per the specifics of your project, I believe Textbroker is an excellent option. While Textbroker’s commission adds to the cost, I think it is a value. I feel strongly Level 4 articles from Textbroker authors are written by those with an almost flawless writing style. When project arrangements are made less a middleman, you are at risk. As a writer for Textbroker, I trust they safeguard me against unsavory clients. Since you want all articles to boast a similar tone, your best option would be creating a team on Textbroker. You set the price per word and can require only level 4 or higher apply. Most importantly, you can require a writing sample from team applicants. The sample of tone will help you determine which applicants have the tone you favor.

          • Paul G says:

            Okay, and with that, Text Broker it is.

            For 37 500-word articles it’s around a $450 project on TB.
            I guess this work is easy for experienced writers because that just doesn’t seem like a lot of money for the work. I’d be lucky to come up with a well written 500 word article working on it all day.

            Any TB writers that want to send me their Nickname or ID number I’d be glad to request a sample assuming I can figure out how to do that in TB.

    • Ernie Kramer says:

      Try me. I have written over 700 articles for textbroker on virtually any topic. You will get your money’s worth. I can research and handle any topic. My price direct is 3 cents/word.

      Kramar

    • Courtney P. says:

      Hello,
      I just read your comment. If you need any articles written, I am willing and available! I can send you a sample article if you want or just get started on the job.
      Thanks,
      Courtney

  8. Mandy Harris says:

    I haven’t written for Textbroker for about six months, but I’m still subscribed to Felicia’s excellent blog post! For anyone wanting to get off of Textbroker, I’d recommend applying at Contently or joing the Freelance Writers Den where there is a job board with advertisements for freelancing jobs. The den also helped me by answering business and writing related questions. And the den caters to writers trying to get off the content mills. I work with my own clients now and make more money doing so with much less headache!! Good luck, everyone!

  9. Beverly Anne says:

    I thank God for places sites such as No Job For Mom. After having posted several times and reading some of these comments, I am encouraged to keep writing no matter what. Textbroker is going through some kind of identity crisis I am certain. My ratings go from level 3 to level 4 and several weeks or months later, to level 3 again. This is in my opinion, simple exploitation. I’ve applied to WriterAccess but their test for English proficiency was just as encouraging as my Textbroker experience.

    There didn’t seem to be a logical train of thought for grammar rules, just a matter of “answer (c) was perfectly correct. However, it would have been best to use (d).”

    Editing for some of these sites has become a matter of which side of the bed did the editor get up on. However, this writer shall never say die!

  10. Jim says:

    Does anyone know what is really going on at Textbroker? I’ve written for them for about two years, and all of my articles have been rated 4. Now I’m worried I might lose that rating after hearing all of your stories.

    I don’t understand how TB can be so insensitive to their authors. Isn’t that where they make their money?

    This just further proves the point that you shouldn’t ever depend on just one or a few sources for your income. Hey, I’m as lazy as the next person and don’t do enough to diversify the sources of my income.

    Your bad experiences with TB is another wake-up call for me. Does anyone have any suggestions for other writing sites?

    • Grandma says:

      I believe it has to do with the company growth over the past year. When a small company is taken over by one with bigger thoughts, changes are made that may work for the new company but that seem not to work for the former associates of the company that was taken over. They have a huge amount of orders most of the time, have added many editors to try to handle the load, but obviously in view of the slowness of their responses in rating articles and responding to inquiries from writers, they still are swamped. They must be reaching their corporate goals, and they have added new websites in other countries like Franch, UK, Spain, etc., so their bottom line must be working well.

      For the “old” writers, there are bruises because of the changes. I still disagree with having writers proof other writers’ works. It is a conflict of interest because they are not trained editors; all they did was manage to pass a “test” that can be passed with mere luck. They may also just be power-hungry and mean or demeaning to other writers.

      I also have a problem when I look at so many hundreds of orders and still cannot find one that I would want to write. The quality of clients and work offered has also changed, but that does not matter to corporate because they will still make money, and more money. And there are many writers at TB who love the orders.

      There are plenty of writers at TB who claim they are making $100 a day writing level 2 and 3 orders early in the morning, when there are hundreds of cheap orders up. I never take those on because it would take more time to set up the job than to do it; seems like a waste of effort. But it does work for some, and there is plenty of money to be made.

      I watch to see if there will be some changes again; perhaps they will drop the proofreading test requirement for level 5 jobs and return to their personal assessment of quality writing. That test can be passed by luck, so what good it is? They are getting tons of orders and making money, so that is all they want. I think their editors should be made to take it and pass with 100% every single month to remain an editor.

      A writer is just a nickname or number; this is not and has never been an “employee” type situation. You are a faceless entity in cyberspace. But it can pay the bills, and you can do it with little talent, it seems. For some, it is a blessing. Others find work elsewhere or start their own businesses. Meanwhile, it can be and should be another good egg in your basket of work possibilities that you can always turn to, no matter what level you are granted.

  11. April Kenyon says:

    Hmm…One has to wonder if some of the new editors are from Demand? Still haven’t returned to TB…doing well elsewhere for now. I’ll probably pop back in eventually, but I think I will watch and wait to see if things improve. I hope things get cleaned up there soon. It was a really great place.

    Megan: You should explore some other sites if TB is your only source of income (Felicia has a lot of insome sources listed here). A freelancer should never only have one source of income. Don’t think of yourself as unemployed, consider yourself self-employed as a freelance content writer.

  12. Lucy says:

    I have had the same perplexing experience recently with TextBroker. Been a 4-star for years and now suddenly I am an idiot and can’t seem to use a comma “their” way to save my soul. Every article I have sent through recently has received negative feedback even though I have not changed my style of writing or using commas. I am looking for somewhere else to write in order to supplement my income.

  13. Megan says:

    I’m a bit hacked off at Textbroker right now for some of the same reasons others have already stated. After over a year of writing at four stars, and less than four months after passing the proofreading test, I have just been demoted to three stars. This demotion came on the heels of a slew of incorrect corrections given to me on about ten articles.

    Some of the “corrections” given were that I should not put a comma after introductory phrases; a sentence should never begin with “and” or “but”; the word “which” should never be used, but should always be replaced with “that.” There were also numerous comma “corrections” which made absolutely no sense.

    I emailed my concerns to the general TB email and received a reply today. John, who answered my email, basically told me that their editors are overloaded and that he knew mistakes had been made (on my articles, specifically), but offered to do nothing to correct these mistakes or reverse my demotion. I got the impression that TB is taking the stance that they will support their own employees regardless of mistakes being made.

    I’m very upset about this simply because I have no recourse. TB has admitted to mistakes which have hindered my ability to make money, but refuse to do anything about it. There is no one else to whom I can complain about this, so they automatically win.

    I’m unsure as to whether or not I will continue writing for TB because of all this, which is hard for me as I need the money I was making as I’m currently unemployed. I just wish that TB would be aware of the mistakes their editors are making, be proactive about getting things fixed within their own company, and reverse this new trend of being (in my opinion) anti-author.

    • saurus says:

      Same thing happened to me; I worked on there for two years as a four-star author and was demoted to three stars after inane “mistakes” and comments that implied I’d never heard of a comma before. On top of that, the email I sent was useless as I received a reply that basically said “We can’t fix it, so do better work.” I was pretty pissed off, but I wasn’t really in a position to leave.

      The best thing I can advise is writing carefully and sending your work through a pair of grammar checkers. I’ve found polishmywriting.com and spellchecker.net/grammar/ works well (in that order). You’d just have to be careful to avoid the bad suggestions the latter makes. By taking the extra time to ensure all of my work was polished, I made it back up to four stars… still haven’t done any work for them since because I’ve moved on, and I’m not sure that I will if this ever happens again.

      Long story short: You can make it back up to four stars, so just persevere and look for other avenues of work in the meantime in case their poor anti-author attitude continues/worsens.

    • leigh ann says:

      Megan–I am SO with you! After 465 articles, all rated 4 star, Textbroker rated a slew of recent articles and bumped me down to a 3! I don’t agree with the ratings, and am very upset they have greatly limited my ability to earn money.

  14. Derrick says:

    I’m looking for advice on a Textbroker situation. I am very much ticked off at them. After nearly a year of over 900 articles and making 80% on my first proofreading test, a few days ago, I was sure I got the 90% pass on the test (that you can only take every 3 months).

    The application did not return a score and TB refuses to let me do an immediate retest. I sent them my test with answers and they refuse to go over it. I was once an avid participator on their forum and was very supportive of TB and other writers. After I found I couldn’t control my sometimes radical expressions, I stop contributing. I’m a level 4 writer and late last year had been demoted after I went all out to write and make cash. Back on level 4, I’ve learn to slow down. Level 5 pays nearly 3x much more. Any advice would be appreciated.

    I do hope Felicia maintains positively and well in the direction she wants to go. It was through this site, a year ago, that I hooked up to TB.

    • Felicia says:

      Derrick, I took the liberty of moving your comment to the Textbroker thread. We’ve got a few Textbroker folks who might be able to help you.

    • Grandma says:

      Hi Derrick – I sympathize with you about the demotion, that does hurt. For the other problems, try to email direct to Christina Zila – address your email to her attention. She was always very helpful to me in the past. It would be important for you to either find out if they ever got your test and can tell you what the grade was. If you kept a copy, I think the test is the same and you might be able to just redo it if the first try never did actually register.

      As for the forums, I try to not particpate. All questions are answered by TB in their blog and they are the only ones who know real answers. Forums on most websites are screwy, except here.

      • Derrick says:

        Thanks for your reply Grandma. At level 4, I do most of my writing for teams on tech and economics. I have enjoyed TB and had even contributed a short story to a contest. Zila has been promoted and I must say she was their best, personable editor. I have already sent them a bunch of messages as regards the un-scored test, but will try to reach Zila in a day or so.

        One can be assured TB is reading these comments. I hope they can keep their procedures fair and open.

        Meanwhile, I am looking forward to taking time and enjoying some of the ideas here on Felicia’s site. (Perhaps another of her sites can get me to do that annual prep digging of my ma’s garden!) I really think ebooks and blogs are the way to go for those Internet savvy. One must be their own boss! Thanks for your response!

        ps; TB is great for learning AP style, be mindful it is their rendition of AP but ok.

    • Crystal says:

      I know it probably isn’t much comfort, Derrick, but there are rarely ever any proofreading assignments. Maybe approving more proofreaders isn’t a priority due to the lack of work? Experience tells me that the proofreading assignments are snapped up quickly but I would be interested in some stats over the past six months so I know if it’s even worth checking for them in the future.

      • Grandma says:

        Hi Crystal – re: proofreading – I am totally not interested in ever doing proofreading for anybody. I completely feel that having another writer at Textbroker proofread the articles that a fellow Textbroker author has submitted is a huge conflict of interest. I certainly do not want another TB author rating my work, ever.

        The other thing that continues to bother me is the way the ratings are coming down with people getting downgraded for one tiny error. That is ridiculous and a waste of the client’s time. The editors are supposed to fix little crap like that, IMO, that should be their purpose, not training writers. If writers are that bad, they should be excluded or downgraded.

        Things have changed a great deal in the past year. That is all I want to say about that. I had been extremely pleased with and happy with TB previously, and I earned a lot of money over there writing high quality articles for excellent clients. Now I only take direct orders at my price. FWITW

        • Crystal says:

          With the exception of two articles last Nov, I haven’t written for TB in nearly two years, but I did proofread four dozen articles over the course of about a month last spring. Since then, I’ve only seen one proofreading assignment. I’m not sure if it’s because there aren’t any or if I just don’t catch them.

          I actually enjoy the proofreading more than the writing and don’t feel it’s a conflict of interest beings the author isn’t identified and proofreaders don’t give a rating – all you do is make minor changes to correct spelling, punctuation, etc.

          I suspect the proofreading option was initially seen by clients as a way to get higher quality writing for less money as they could post assignments at level 2 and then have a level 4 or 5 clean them up. Not sure what it costs, but it seems like I figured out at the time that a proofread level 2 article was less spendy than posting at level 3. It must not have worked that way, however, beings there’s rarely anything to proofread.

          Glad to hear the direct orders are keeping you plenty busy, Grandma. Do you have any experience with Team Orders? Looks like some of those pay really well.

          • Grandma says:

            Never tried team orders, turned down a couple invites – mostly because the pay was too low. My last direct order was wonderful, but last year, and TB screwed around so long approving this client’s first order that, although he was extremely pleased with what I wrote and WAS going to send more, he never returned. Very disappointing. I think I made $36 on that one order.

            No direct orders at all this year so far. I always thought that the team order option would reduce open orders and direct orders. Never liked it, and I believe I was correct in my prediction. There are about 180 team order clients…orders that could have been placed on the open board and kept writers busy and happy.

            I work with private outside clients now, and a couple other websites. I still need to do more with my ebook website and write up a couple more ebooks. I still look at TB open orders from time to time, and like right now when there are about 1000 orders available, I am amazed that there is not even one that I want to write up.

            Things change – that is the only reality and consistency, in life and online. IMO

          • April says:

            Yeah grandma, things do change. I haven’t done anything there for the past couple of months. After a couple of incorrect corrections from the new editors (yes, a couple mistakes were legit, but at least a couple of comments in the last two batches were incorrect.) and a “warning” that my 5* status could be at risk, I decided to take a break from them and see how I could do financially if they dropped me back to a 4. Actually, I have done better the past three months (and with less work)than I have done in all the months since starting freelancing full time two years ago! So, I now know I will be ok if they drop me, though very discouraged I am sure. I don’t work with DO clients much…I just prefer to “pick and choose.” I just glanced in at the forums, and it appears the “incorrect corrections” are becoming pretty frequent. That can be expected with new editors on board, but I had hoped it would be back to normal after a couple of months.

            Speaking of the forums, I used to participate frequently in there. I only occasionally glance in now. Once it became a playground for complaining, putting others down, etc., I decided to stay away. As I recall, that is what many of us feared would happen when they introduced the forums.

            Yes, change happens, though sometimes those changes are not for the good. TB will always hold a place in my heart as the first freelancing place I found. It gave me the courage to make a career out of it, but I am saddened to say that, at least for now, it is no longer amongst the windows I keep open on my computer all day.

  15. Grandma says:

    There are plenty of orders up lately at TB. This week the number of level 4 orders was up around 500 to 900 all week. Winter, especially January, is always a slow month. In three years, it has been my lowest paying month at all sites. Springtime is when things really pick up, so don’t give up hope.

    Not sure about the editor situation; check the forums for that. Seems like they may be catching up a bit since it is slow.

    They have added new websites in several other countries and have an author extravaganza planned for April in Las Vegas.

  16. Beverly Anne says:

    I don’t know what is going on with TB. After keeping me at a Level 3 for several months, they immediately upped it to 4 after an inquiry on my part.

    Now, they’ve down me to 3 again and there I am staying no matter what I do.

    There is virtually no work coming in at all on 3s so even if I were 4 or 5, they’d still couldn’t evaluate my work because I can’t even get 3 assignments.

    The Direct Orders I once received regularly have also disappeared from the radar.

    I’m holding on because I need the $$$ but I am looking elsewhere.

    They are really good paying weekly and support is very efficient. But Lord only knows who they have as editors giving evaluations now a days.

    They’ve caught up pretty much…at one time I had 30 articles in backlogged to be evaluated.

    My writing quality has not diminished at all, if anything, it’s become more skillful.

    I’ve worked hard working on my writing abilities. I hope they don’t do this good site in with too much experimenting on other projects. Happy Thanksgiving every one.

    • Suzie says:

      It was sounding good, and I was getting excited about signing up until the most recent comments on this article. Does anyone know if there is a follow-up to any of these complaints?

  17. Kim says:

    First, thank you for such an informative post! Very detailed and I am glad I came across this post before signing up.
    Second, thank you to everyone who has commented on this post and shared your experiences both good and bad.
    Kim

  18. Ladywisdom says:

    I’ve been having trouble with Textbroker lately…I was a “3” for one year although clients and direct orders indicated a “level 4”. Then I notified TB and they immediately upped it to 4. Now, they’ve lowered level to “3” again and were behind 26 articles in evaluating.

    They are going through some changes evidently and I’ll stick with them as now they pay on a weekly basis. I don’t know what I’ll do about levels as they keep going up and down despite excellent ratings from clients and direct orders. Good luck everyone.

  19. jgh me says:

    Not only are the new editors ridiculous, the system is awfully slow. I’ve had an article out there for over 2 months that they haven’t rated yet. Used to be a 4, now a 3, just for using the % sign instead of “percent” nearly a year ago. No articles to write, and the pay is ridiculous. $.01 a word for a 3, $.015 for a 4. Yeez……

    Hope I can find an alternative soon.

  20. Susan says:

    Hi Sherri,

    I understand what you mean, as I’ve found some of the assignments to be a bit fuzzy on Textbroker. You can email the client and ask for clarification. I’ve actually done that. The problem is, however, you never know how long it might take the client to get back to you. In the meantime someone else could likely snag the assignment. It’s still probably better than spending time researching and writing an article that might end up being rejected because you took the wrong approach. Good luck to you!

    Susan

  21. Grandma says:

    The first article I did over three years ago was about sunglasses. I chose it because at the time I was selling sunglasses on eBay. It was easy to write.

    Instructions are important; I avoid the long and insulting ones, figuring those clients will be difficult or rejecting.

    Find a few that are of interest to you, even if it takes some time to find them. Once you get the first 5 rated, you may find they bump you up to level 4. At that point, you will then be able to take the proofreading test that is demanded for any further increase to level 5. Read on the forums and blogs about that test; it is ridiculously confusing and has multiple answers and possibly even a question with no right answer. You can do okay at level 4.

    Right now they have had an influx of many new writers. They also have new editors since summer and they are very picky to a fault.

  22. Sherri says:

    I just opened an account on textbroker, and was given a level 3 rating. I’m a little intimated by what I see so far. The titles are often vague and most have very little instruction. For those of you who’ve been doing this for a while, how did you first figure out what to write about when all you had to go off of was a couple of keywords?
    Thanks.

    • Anna says:

      I really have no idea where to start and I’m still teed off because based on my writing sample they gave a 4 rating but when I went to the site they said I had a 3. There is almost nothing for a 3 rating.
      I’m going to look into some other writing opportunities that aren’t quite so vague.

  23. Mandy says:

    Hi Susan, welcome to Textbroker! The higher your rating, the more money Textbroker makes. So, it’s really to their advantage to help you earn a higher rating.

    Some of the common errors that result in lower ratings are misplaced or missing commas. Grammar Girl’s blog is an excellent resource. Also, structure in the article is important. I include a clear intro, followed by paragraphs that support the intro, followed by a concluding paragraph that wraps it up. I also make sure that each paragraph has a topic and transitional sentence.

    Each of your articles is rated. But, the turn around time seems to be longer, probably because the editors have a backlog of work.

    Hang in there, I am sure you are close to the four star rating! If your goal is to make it to five stars, then take your time with each article to get it near perfect. If your goal is cranking out four star articles, then follow the guidelines above.

    I think some people do just as well hourly cranking out a lot of four star articles as some of us five star writers make hourly.

  24. Susan says:

    I started writing for textbroker recently. I started with a 3, wrote the required 5 articles before being evaluated again and ended up with the same 3 rating. I’m wondering if textbroker keeps writers at a lower level for awhile so the pay out stays low? And, do they continue to rate you so that you have the chance to go up in rating?

    • Anna says:

      I submitted my sample a week or two ago and got a 4 rating to start with. Unfortunately I was required to print out a tax form they emailed me and postal mail it back to them. My printer doesn’t work and the only person that was kind enough to print it out for me lives halfway across the country so I’m waiting for her letter containing the form so I can mail it back to them AND wait for them to receive it.
      I really am anxious to get started.

      • Crystal says:

        If I remember correctly, it used to be that you could start writing but just wouldn’t be paid earnings over a certain amount until the form was received. Has this changed? Or am I misremembering?

        • Anna says:

          I just hadn’t noticed that in the email they sent so I thought I had to wait. I’m not particularly happy that they told me I was a ‘4’ in the email I got after they accepted my writing sample but when I went to the site they had me as being a ‘3’. There is almost nothing available for level three and what there is is the same thing over and over.
          I really wouldn’t know what to write about cigars or silk thread. The silk thread one besides being very rude and condescending also said he didn’t want anything about crafts or the origins of silk thread. Well what does that leave? I’m disappointed to put it mildly.

    • Jessica B says:

      same here, but after a few more articles i was bumped up to a 4. make sure you get a few 4 ratings in there. those generally dont have anything wrong with them. did you get an email with suggestions? level 4 articles are just approved without the suggestions, so work on your weaknesses.

  25. Mandy says:

    April – the comments have definitely been slow! Summer is going by too fast, though, as always.

    I’ve never heard of Artihub. Keep us posted on what you find out.

    On the Textbroker front for me, my time management skills are lacking, as usual. More specifically, it’s my “just say no” skills.

    Now my slate is clear and I intend to fight to keep it that way. I practice in the mirror: no, no, no!

    Funny how my earnings go up in proportion to the hours I work.

  26. April says:

    Hey all! It’s been awhile since anybody posted in here, so thought I would try to get it going again! This isn’t reaI lly about Textbroker, but though I would ask my TB colleagues. Has anyone heard of Artihub? I got a Facebook request from them (I guess I triggered their radar since I have Freelancing as my career). I looked at the site. Can’t really make much of it. It looks fairly new. I found somewhere that it was created in Dec. 2010.

    On the Textbroker front, I have been getting quite a bit of DOs from two new clients lately. One sent 74 product descriptions (I hope they send more, as they were easy to do). The other sends product descriptions and blog posts. He has been sending them consistently, and he implies he will continue to do so. I previously had decided I didn’t like DOs, but I can see their usefulness now that I raised my DO rate! 🙂

    I worked with training my computer to recognize my voice on the Windows voice recognition program last night. Since I type very slowly,I am hoping it will cut my writing time in two. Of course, I am sure there will be plenty of editing involved!

    Hope everyone is doing well!

    • Natalie says:

      Do you know what happened with the orders for that really big client – you know who I mean? I wonder if they were unhappy with the work or something. I really enjoyed doing those.

      • April says:

        Natalie, I’m not sure, but I kind of wonder if that is why things seem to be moving slower lately. I wonder if the editors have further work to do with those after the authors did them. I have to admit that I never actually tackled any of them (slap me on the hand…I’m a shame to my colleagues). I was pretty busy with a couple of clients over on CC at the time. I also had to get my WiseGEEK quota in by the end of the month (I always seem to put them off to the last few days…doing it again this month). From what I could tell, those were kind of detailed. and I know they were very important. I didn’t want to tackle them until I could give them my full attention…which never happened :-(. I did manage to do a couple of easy product descriptions that were on the board with all those orders. Those were those two that turned into DO clients! Anyway, I’m not sure what happened with that big client, or if we will get any more orders. I do, however, think the editors might be cracking down a little harder. Either that, or there have been a couple of new editors in the past couple of months. I haven’t had a review in over a month (though I will happily go without one), but they seem to be making a lot more comments on things than they used to! (or maybe I am making more mistakes). That is good, as it helps us know how we are doing and what we need to improve on, but a little scary at the same time.

        • Natalie says:

          I only managed to do a few of them myself. Maybe that was the problem – all of us weren’t tackling them quickly enough. In any event, I wish that the staff at TB would send a message to us and let us know. They were very communicative about getting the project off the ground; since then, it’s been radio silence.

      • Mandy says:

        My reviews are behind as well. In fact, I emailed the editors to find out if multiple mistakes in a backlog of un-reviewed work would jeopardize an author’s 5-star status.

        They were kind enough to promptly reply. Essentially, they will make us aware of problem and give us a fair chance to improve.

        Before that reply, I was leery of having too much unrated work out there.

        I think the orders for that big client just took too long to complete. It’s a shame because that would have made for a lucrative summer!

  27. Grandma says:

    Glad to be of service to you, Bree. That was my only intention in assembling the ebook. I just racked up $1400 on Textbroker in the past 10 days, all level 5 articles. It is worth it to strive for perfection (hah, like I am that!) to get the higher pay. But, I did fine with mostly level 4 stuff in the past, as I explained in the ebook.

    It looks like a lot of people agree that TB is an excellent place to write, reliable, they pay on time and the editors are really great. The best thing is to learn their rules and what they want. A lot of new writers seem to want everything handed to them on a silver platter, and skew things in their favor when it is the client who has priority because they are what makes the whole thing pay.

    For example, someone wanted to force clients to make approvals by the 4th and 20th of each month so THEY could be paid on time. Jeez, you cannot do that! Learn to handle your money better! LOL

  28. Bree says:

    Thanks, Grandma. After reading your book, I signed up for Textbroker and got accepted at level 4! I am excited to start writing. The site seemed a little intimidating at first, but I feel comfortable navigating now that I have your book for reference.

    Also, thanks to Felicia for this community. I love reading the posts and the comments, I’ve learned a lot already!

  29. Mandy says:

    Thanks, Grandma . . . I’m working on my first one and it’s not at all as hard as it seemed when I first looked at it. It would be really exciting to get those additional orders! For myself, it would assure my place working from home and enjoying the summer with my kids!

    Don’t get scared off by the detailed explanation. Once you do the first one, you’ll see how simple they are.

  30. Kim McLendon says:

    Even though I am feeling like a real chatty Cathy writing so much… and littering the board with so many long comments, I wanted to tell you my experience with saving client relationships with dis-satisfied customers.

    If clients are not satisfied, even if it’s just a bad review, but especially if it is a direct order, do a re-write as soon as you see any negative feedback at all, and even if the article has closed out, send them a new article and an “I am sorry I didn’t understand the assignment” note, or whatever your excuse is.
    I recently got a message from my very first client on Text broker, expressing they were unhappy with a Press Release. It was too sales oriented, and when the client submitted the Press Release it got turned down. She said she might have to find someone else to do her press releases, because my last too were to sales oriented and not newsy enough. The client didn’t want to hurt my feelings but it was important that press releases cleared these other people. My heart just went to my throat for a moment. My feelings were not hurt, I just felt worried.

    I know that Press Releases are supposed to be newsy, but my client really does have an exciting product and it’s really hard for me not to pimp it like a side show barker. I apologized and admitted that I’d been over the top with my enthusiasm for their great product. I also said that I was far less concerned with my own ego than I was about client satisfaction. I wanted her to be happy with the work. Then I completely re-wrote the article and included it in a message to her.
    She gave me an outstanding reply, and was thrilled. I am still patting myself on the back for saving the day, but that’s how you keep your clients happy, even if they are temporarily dis-satisfied.

  31. Kim McLendon says:

    Thanks for the tip Mandy. The outline idea would probably help me. I use outlines for long articles, and it does help. I have a copy of Elements of Style, but I think my daughter has it. I appreciate the tip that it’s available on line. I’ll check out Grammar Girl as well. I have no problem with anything except Commas, and they give me a fit. I know the basic rules, but when I get into a situation with a long sentence sometimes I’m not too sure which rules apply. I tend to like to switch around my sentence structure to make things more interesting, and it does get difficult. It sounds very creative when you read it, but the commas get harder to place.

    Shelly D. I agree it seems like hard work sometimes. In years past I wouldn’t have thought it was worth it and would have quickly become discouraged. I don’t think I would have had the determination to do this a few years back, but necessity can drive us to work harder. Overall I think it’s all a matter of motivation, and how much you need the money.
    As for me, my husband and I are both self employed. All our businesses declined to the point our income dropped to less than a quarter of what it was two years ago. My husband and I started applying for jobs and we couldn’t find a job between us. When my weekend business (our last source of steady cash) burned to the ground last September, I was very distraught, but I found No Job for Mom on line.

    As soon as I found out I could make real money and not just some sort of point system… or almost, but not quite enough to give you a penny like some of the residuals I was messing with… well I was hooked. I have gotten really disgusted with residuals, but I’m still trying.

    On text broker, I like the fact that there are always articles to write. I can control how much I make, even if that control amounts to staying up 48 hours and writing. I like being able to say, I am going to my mother’s for the day, and not typing till I get home without a boss questioning my “day off.” I like the fact that unlike my old retail business there is no risk, of doing work, investing money and not turning any profit. I like the idea that no taxes are taken out, and there are no fees, no items to stock, or inventory to keep up with. I also like working at home, and I greatly appreciate that I don’t have to get all dressed up and visit clients a few times a week.

    While the pay is low to start it does build, and best of all my income is not dependent on huge corporations, or the whims of a small business. If (God forbid) one of my regular clients becomes dissatisfied, or stops needing articles, well there is an opportunity for another client every time I take an article.

    Another way to get direct orders is to find a client who regularly places a lot of articles and make an effort to grab as many of those as possible. Do your best and be sure to research as necessary, even if the pay hardly merits it.
    Gracea,
    Take the orders of course. A lot of clients find some of the writers on text broker unacceptable. Most of them just take the articles anyway, but others can’t afford to, or it rubs them the wrong way to have to. I gather that level three writers sometimes make a real mess of articles. I have never proofed on text broker, but I have done some re-writes, both on text broker and quality gal. Text broker re-writes are often… well.. I wouldn’t have paid for it, but obviously the client took it and put it on a site till they could get something better. Anyway it was bad.
    Anyway their previous dissatisfaction has nothing to do with you. Message your direct order client and humbly thank them for sending you an order. Then get to work. The wonderful thing about direct orders is repeat business on the same or similar topics. Soon you will not have to do so much research because you will know the topic inside out. I do 10 articles a week for one client. He’s a real sweetheart, but at first it took me hours to turn out each article because I wanted to get them just right. Now I do it much more quickly. I still research occasionally, but since the topics are similar my knowledge on the topic just builds for more articles.

    By the same token, as Grandma explained to me once, pick as many articles on the same topic as you can. When clients toss out a lot of articles with the same or similar titles, take as many as possible. That way you research once, develop a sort of pattern and rhythm and you don’t have to just keep on looking for information on unrelated topics.

    • Grandma says:

      Yes, you will have to pay taxes. If you do not have them taken out, you will have a big bill at tax time, like I do, over $1000….

      • Kim McLendon says:

        You have a point, and I might if things get a LOT better. As it is right now the losses from our other businesses, the fact we have dependents, and a few other factors are defraying anything I make.

        Oh and Grandma, do you know that you can deduct a percentage of your household utilities and any house payments for having a home business with a home office? It could be like 1/8th or whatever the size of your office is in relation to your house. That will definitely defray a lot of your profits. I mean we are technically running four businesses out of ours, but it would work even if there was just one. It really does help. You should talk to an accountant, or do the research yourself, if you don’t know a good one. Turbo tax used to be good for that. It gets pretty complex but you can save money on your taxes. There are a lot of deductions for the self employed… still next year I might have to pay though. This year was a nightmare financially though, so no we didn’t have to.

        • Grandma says:

          If I only had a house! Been floating between kids for the past 8 years…long story. If you did not owe last year, you should be okay and not get a penalty even if you owe this year. The IRS website http://www.irs.gov is really good and you can file free there. I have never paid for return prep. I did a Suite article about that – that gets about 1/5 of my page views.

  32. Grandma says:

    You might be frank and just ask him about the rejection rate, and how many articles total he has had in the past. If he only had a couple, the rejection rate will show up as high. For example, if he had 2 before and rejected one, it would be 50%, which nobody would want to try, but he may have had a reason.

    The deal is up to you. You should be able to negotiate something higher than a level 4 price. Remember that TB adds their commission plus 30 cents per article on top.

  33. Graesea says:

    I have a question for those of you who have been with Textbroker for awhile.

    I’ve been inactive at Textbroker due to other concerns and received an inquiry today for some direct orders. I checked the stats on the person and his rejection rate is almost 7%. That strikes me a big high. He also seems to want a great deal even for a top rating.

    I appreciate your feedback – I always read these comments even when I’m not writing.

  34. ShelleyD says:

    I began writing off and on (more off) for TB over a year ago. I started at Level 3, but moved to Level 4 within a short time. For the most part, the articles are fairly easy to write. However, there are those tightly written ones that present quite a challenge. I have had some lapse in time and have just started picking it up again.

    I keep reading about others doing quite well on TB, but I found myself getting discouraged. You work hard for the pay out. I haven’t had any Direct Orders, yet. More than anything, I want this to work. I have my profile on other sites, but haven’t done anything. One of the reasons is that I don’t know how to bid a job.

    Thanks, Kim for your advice on DOs.

  35. Mandy says:

    Hi Kim, with your dedication and talent, I’m sure you’ll make it to 5 stars.

    If you haven’t already, sign up for Grammar Girl’s email newsletter, search the web for a free copy of Strunk & White’s Elements of Style and print it out if you can. You can buy it too but the one I printed out is a nice size for marking up with notes.

    I tend to write long as well. I started making a quick outline to focus me as I’m writing and I also made it a goal to edit ten percent or so of the word count. Eventually I started writing fewer words in the first place.

    You must be doing a great job to get all those direct orders! take care!

  36. Grandma says:

    With time, practice, an open mind, constant care, excellent work, etc., of course you will!

  37. Kim McLendon says:

    Hi Felicia, Grandma and Raymond… and all,
    Thanks for understanding Grandma, and you are right I should try to enjoy life, but generally I prefer typing. It feels good to enjoy TextBroker. I signed up for BrightHubs last night… and I am sure they will get back to me, but the note said it might be a while. I have given up on Suite 101. I do Quality Gal, but I make most of my income on TextBroker, and I love it, but I’ve been a little slack last week.

    I am looking for residual income, and have been a bit discouraged with the website I am trying to build… I’m kind of dumb when it comes to building SEO websites. I am great with front page, but it isn’t very SEO friendly. I couldn’t get word press to load right. I settled for the web provider’s site builder. I like it, but it involves a lot of html, and I’m not too good with that. LOL

    Raymond, I started TextBroker Sept. 15 of 2010 as a level 3. I got my first direct order on Oct. 30th. I got a few more during November and December, but I really had a lot to learn back then. I kept writing insane quantities of articles, because my financial situation was fairly dire. I stayed up all night, worked myself to the bone… not literally though. I’m still quite chubby, but anyway I was putting in 70-80 hour work weeks, between the sites I was working with, but most of that was text broker. I know at first some of the quality suffered because I was tired and occasionally I made a dumb mistake or two. I know once or twice I was unable to follow simple directions.

    I was making about $150 a week, and busting my tail. I had decided that no matter what I did, I’d never see level 4. I knew I was a good writer, but the format of writing content, was hard for me to learn. It took me forever to stop writing 800 word articles when they only wanted 400 words. I just had trouble saying anything in less than 800 words at first. It was hard to understand what my clients wanted. I had trouble with the key word counter not counting right, and overall it was annoying. TextBroker nit picked my comma placement all the time, whenever they graded me. I wrote for Quality Gal too, and they never mentioned my commas. They praised me lavishly, and gave me extra money, but due to the difference in the nature of the two kinds of articles it took me all day or even two days to do a Quality Gal article, and I could do 8 or 10 text broker articles in a day.

    I felt really awkward about contacting clients through the TextBroker message service at first, and tended to be uncommunicative. When I did try to use the message board I found my messages were intercepted by Textbroker because I hadn’t worded the offer to do direct orders correctly. Text broker will watch your messages for a while, and it made me feel self conscious.

    I stuck out those first few months out of pure necessity, and an understanding that any job that payed money and would hire me in this economy was worth hanging on to. In the mean time I was able to write faster and better articles by December.

    In January though wonderful things happened. I was promoted to level 4 and I started getting a LOT of direct orders. I was able to communicate with them over the message board, and no one was intercepting all my messages any more.

    My best advice is to write as much as you can, and try to keep your quality up. The best way to attract good clients is to do good work, and if you like writing for someone, and they give you a few good reviews, send them a message and offer to take direct orders for them.

    Remember to specify though that you want to do “DIRECT ORDERS through TEXTBROKER” because if you are vague, and say I’d like to do more articles for you, or send your orders to me directly or anything other than what’s above in quotes, Text broker will intercept your message and send you a warning. They interpret anything other than the above phrase as trying to steal clients from them. Also never send a client your e-mail address, or try to get chummy outside of the message box. Never tell them your real full name either.

    If you get a few bad reviews, don’t take it too personally. Just avoid that client from then on, and look for the clients who like your writing style. Grab all the good clients you can, and avoid the fussy ones, till you feel confident enough to please even them.
    A lot of clients complain about poor quality among the level three’s, my clients do as a matter of fact. If you set yourself apart as a quality writer, and push for experience, you’ll get clients. Now at least 80% the work for text broker I do is direct order. I still only charge 2 cents a word. I wonder if I should go up, but then I realize our clients aren’t rich either. It’s better to make five fast pennies sometimes than a slow nickel so I keep my rate fairly low.

    I really wonder if I will ever be level 5. What do you think Grandma?

    Kim

    • Beverly says:

      Hi Kim,
      I got both encouragement and hope after reading your post. I’ve been with Textbroker since December and haven’t been able to break free from the “level 3” ratings.

      I’m up to about 94 articles now with no rejects although I have declined a couple of articles which TB even agreed with me on. Most articles, with two or three exceptions, came back with “excellent” ratings from my clients. All those have given me excellent and complimentary comments and I now have one direct order client with the promise of another as of today.

      Twice I hit a “4 star” rating but somehow it has disappeared from from my stats.

      I am almost to the point of frustration and am wondering what to do as I do enjoy writing for TB and their systems.

      Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiences and I wish you the very best.

  38. Raymond Aguirre says:

    @ Kim

    Hi. I am very new to textbroker but I must say, it truly is an addicting site!

    I was just wondering how long it took for you to start receiving direct orders. All I have been working on are the assignments listed.

  39. Grandma says:

    Kim, me too. I took two days during the week off, to go shooting and touring here in Colorado. There were 550 category 5 orders up starting on the 17th last week, all $22.50 each. I have completed 20 so far, but they take some time. Yesterday there were still 160 left, but I still feel guilty about not staying here working on them. And I do have other stuff to do, plus a direct order came in. I have another website idea also, but it all can wait. “Make hay while the sun shines”

    I guess it all works out in the end, and we get what we are supposed to have. So don’t worry about it; you will get what you are supposed to have. Worrying will not get you anywhere. Have faith! You are supposed to be enjoying life!

  40. Kim McLendon says:

    TextBroker is addictive. I really love TB but it’s stressful to stop typing. When I am not on TextBroker I feel guilty and a little nervous. I took three days off from it this week, to work on some Quality Gal articles and to research more about residual income, and start a new website but my conscience kept nagging me as if I was doing absolutely nothing the whole time… what is that? LOL I checked the site twice a day to see if I had direct orders, so it wasn’t that. I was really relieved to get my direct orders today. I just don’t feel like I am writing lately unless I am writing for TB.

  41. Crystal says:

    TB proofreading report – I just completed 7 orders and 2 have already been accepted, so I assume I’m doing it right:) I actually kind of like it but the orders thus far are few and far between. Today, however, I just happened to be on the site when several came through.

    Jiyan – Look for the Proofreading tab under Assignments, between Direct Orders and Statistics. I think you’ll find the test there if you haven’t already taken it.

    Grandma – Thanks for mentioning the forum thread. I’ve got some questions about the proofreading process and can’t find any official info on the site with the exception of the brief instructions on the proofreading page. But maybe that’s all TB feels is necessary. Someone on the forum said there was a newsletter announcement but I may have missed it during my big computer crash.

  42. Grandma says:

    There is a big thread on their author-to-author forum about that. It is a new service they offer to clients and you can get paid for proofreading, but you have to really be excellent.

    I am not interested in it, so I have not taken the test. Too much other work to do.

  43. Jiyan says:

    Hello Hello Hello,

    What is this talk about proofreading & textbroker . . !?

    Thx.

  44. Crystal says:

    Greetings to all my fellow TBers. I’ve been away from TB since last June and just got back on the site. I noticed the proofreading test and remembered seeing comments about it here – seems someone said they’d like to hear from anyone who had passed. Well, I took the thing and guess what? I passed with 90%. Barely scraped by, I know – but keep in mind that I am comma-challenged from a TB standpoint and have been denied an increase to level 5 more than once.

    Anyway, what’s the deal? Has anyone actually done any proofreading? With my previous TB comma critiques, I’m more than a little hesitant. Any thoughts?

  45. jiyan says:

    I really want to be at the 5* level . . Automotive is for sure an interest of mine & I do not mind taking the extra time to search for some rad information about all that good stuff . . !

  46. Jim says:

    Regarding DS: I’ve written about 80 articles for them and so far I’ve had 14% rewrites and 8% abandoned rewrites. The rewrites were relatively minor changes and easy to do. The abandoned rewrites were non-sensical requests, so I let them go. I’m writing for eHow Business and Personal Finance. DS is currently paying $18.50 for a 400-500 word article. The issue with DS is that you have to include a list of references which must come from their recommended list. This all takes more time than just writing. The stories about the CE’s at DS are true, but it’s just part of the deal, and you learn to live with it.

    I still write for TB whenever I see articles that don’t require much research even though the pay rate is less.

  47. April says:

    I have an account at DS, but haven’t written the first thing for them since they changed the ehow system. Can people even still write for just ehow anymore? I tend to stay away from DS…too many complaints about the editors. As often as it sounds like they send things back, it would take too long it seems! I keep plenty busy with what I have right now. I may try submittingthere one day to see how it goes! I know many do well there however.

    • Felicia says:

      You can still write How to’s there at DS. They now have quite a few formats, but you’re right. There are often crazy edits which can be frustrating. However, if you can deal with the edits, there’s money to be made there.

  48. Will says:

    Jivan, it’s fairly easy to make money at Textbroker, but I suggest applying to Demand Studios and writing for eHow as soon as you can.

  49. April says:

    Unfortunately, I know nothing about vehicles or auto jargon, so I am going to likely pass on all those glorious orders (and the instructions are so clear too)! I need to be working on WG articles for this week. While the auto orders would pay more, the WG articles will take much less time! This is last spring’s client. I think he (or she) had orders placed under about 4 different categories last spring. Hope that will be the case here!

    • Grandma says:

      April, I am not a car nut either. I take about an hour and a half per, but I am also doing other stuff around here like washing clothes, drinking coffee, tv, etc. I have 2 done and there are still 545 up there. I only know of one other 5* writer working on some. These are over $12,000 worth of orders, worth doing and the client is good and pays fast. Give it a shot.

  50. Grandma says:

    Yes April, I was going to tell you about this here. I did one on Chevrolet Corvette. Client is a wonderful client, gives great reviews. 549 left right now, 8:35pm on Thursday. Not sure how many 5* writers they have now.

  51. April says:

    ATTENTION 5* writers! I think (hope, hope, hope) last springs abundance is returning! Just saw over 500 orders under level 5! They are currently all auto (bummer), but I think that is how this particular client started out last year also!

  52. April says:

    Yay! This month is turning out to be a great money month! My $200 article I turned in yesterday just accepted! No comment from the client, but I was relieved when it didn’t come back for a revision! CC is doing well this month as well! Hope the trend continues! I guess I need to get to writing my WG articles over the next couple of days. After that, I am hoping to MAYBE take a couple(or a few) days off next week! Happy spring everyone! So glad to be getting out of the winter slump! 🙂

  53. jiyan says:

    Thank you April , YOU ROCK . . !

  54. April says:

    Jiyan: Hello! We most certainly are real!!! 🙂 Textbroker is a great place to start out. They were my first venture into the world of online freelancing. I had previously been convinced that everything about making money online was a scam…I am a believer now! In fact, I quit my dull day job to pursue a career in freelancing! It is what I went to school for after all (English) and I was wasting my education where I was.

    As I said, TB is a great place to “get your feet wet” and can be a very lucrative income if you put forth an effort. Levels 2-4 don’t pay much, but if you can make it to a 5, you’re on your way. I know many make a decent income with level 4s also. After you become accustomed to the world of online freelancing, try lookinginto some other sites as well. I bide my time between 3 or 4 sites, but TB is definitely one of my top earners! Good luck!

  55. jiyan says:

    Thank you felicia . . ! 
    That is all I needed to hear, btw your freelance e-book is very well written. Tnx for everything.

    Take care and Be blessed,
    Jiyan

  56. jiyan says:

    Hi everyone . . !

    Sooooo . . I have been thinking and researching for about a month now about starting a freelance writing career. Ghost writing specifically. Textbroker has become my final decision and this blog is the result of helping me come to that decision, the comments and advice are very uplifting. 

    You see, I am currently doing the ChaCha for about 2.5 bucks an hour and I really feel as if I am letting my family down. I am 21 years old and I am trying to save money to put myself through medical training programs and the places such as, local businesses and coffee shops don’t seem to hire my kind for work . . I guess. 

    Therefore, I’m not going to settle for Internet marketing again and I’m getting exhausted just clicking redundant answers just to earn my two cents 😀

    I suppose, my question is . . Can I seriously have success with textbroker, is this blog real, are you people commenting real, because with the Internet . . I don’t know what to believe anymore . . but hey! It’s sunny outside . . !

    J

    • Felicia says:

      Jiyan, there are over 1,000 comments on this Textbroker post. I’m not going to try to convince you one way or another as to the validity of this blog. I think you need to read a few of the comments and posts to decide for yourself.

      BTW, welcome to NJFM.

  57. Grandma says:

    There were a lot today, April. I have been so busy I can’t keep up. Very tired and sleepless, but yesterday I bought a new recliner so I slept much better last night. It is like being cuddled up in a really big soft pillow!

    The Suite 101 forums are the worst. I guess I do not understand why the writers spend so much time on the forums. It is time they could be spent writing for money. Some obviously are completely invested in being part of the “writer community” and it is a social thing.

    Oh well, I guess I am old. I try not to comment on them anymore, but it hard not to read once in a while. I am pretty much off the TB ones unless I see something I am interested in, which doesn’t usually happen.

  58. April says:

    Hey Grandma! Yes I have become somewhat of a forum addict. I see you in there once in a great while! Odd since I typically stay away from forums! I have been trying to “taper off” a bit though. It was fun for awhile, but you’re right…it’s becoming a breeding ground for complaints and sarcastic remarks.

    As far as WA paying less, I just meant that I could make more on 5*s at TB. Level 4 does pay far more though than 4* at TB. I am staying pretty content with TB, CC and WG though!

    I noticed the other day last years big 5* client had a few orders listed under auto. He (or she) had 25 or so under shopping last night. There may have been more before that. I had an order I was working on so didn’t see. I am hoping there will soon be another surge in 5* orders! 🙂

  59. Grandma says:

    Hi April…seen you in the TB forum a lot. a.s.k.

    Actually Writer Access pays more than TB except for their category 5 articles, which are slightly less. So I don’t care about them. I did okay with WA in Jan and Feb, total $700 after some dud months previously. They don’t have a ton of orders. I still favor TB as usual, my mainstay.

    What I don’t like now about TB are the forums. They are getting to be like the Suite 101 forums with complainers. If people don’t like the pay, they should just leave, don’t whine about it. If they don’t get it, I really don’t care; I like it and I will continue to work there. I don’t feel that making $3400 in one month is chicken feed, nor is my usual $700 per month. Some want everything hand fed to them on a plate. They are too lazy to even keep track of their own income; they want some program at TB to do that for them. I hope they do not go downhill like some others.

  60. April says:

    Just dropping in since no one has been here to visit for awhile!

    Whew…just finished a $200 order (5*)…hope it is accepted! I notice things starting to pick up out of the “winter slump”…hope it continues!

    I decided to stop in at Writer Access today and found that I have been raised to a level 4 there! I had only completed 11 orders with them. I did one a couple of weeks ago because it was a client who had put me on their love list…guess that got me the bump up. I may actually start writing there once in awhile now. TB still pays better, but an article now and then might be nice.

    Still working at wiseGEEK as well and have had a couple of good weeks at Constant Content! Lets hope this is a sign that things are heading in the right direction. I was in a pretty big slump over the winter months!

    TB says that they have added a sales production department and are doing some extra marketing. They have a few new clients…hoping to see an influx of 5 star orders again this spring! 🙂

  61. Mandy says:

    To answer your original question – the four star orders that I do that are about 400 words take anywhere from 20 minutes to 45 minutes on average. Like I said, you get faster the more you write.

  62. Grandma says:

    Are you sure you did not pick out a category 2 level article? They pay less than a penny per word at 0.7 cents. That would give you $3.50 for 500 words. Even if you are a level 4 writer, if you pick up a category 2 article, you will only get level 2 pay, not level 4 or any other level but 2.

  63. Mandy says:

    When I first started writing for text broker a year ago, it seemed to take me forever to write a short article. Yesterday, I wrote a long, 5* order in about two hours. Probably could have done it faster if the kids weren’t home from winter break. As it is, it equated a very nice hourly rate. Simply writing, writing and writing some more definitely will make you a faster scribe.

    Other strategies: I specialize in a niche. At first the research was cumbersome. But over time, I have been able to write articles that cover complex topics fairly quickly. The background knowledge helps, as does keeping my notes organized and creating a custom Google search engine covering my niche research sites.

    Over time, you’ll learn your own tendencies. Textbroker is my favorite upfront site, but I also write for Demand Studios and a couple others. I find I get bored quickly with any one format. My best and most interesting work remains within my niche, so I try to stick to those topics. I have also discovered my prime energy writing time and devote that to upfront pay. Other times, I focus on residual or creative writing, or just take a break.

    For awhile, I felt that Textbroker wasn’t worth the pay either. Now, with the strategies I’ve learned and just the improvement in my own speed, I am very happy with my hourly rate. Textbroker is still the easiest site to write for.

    Good luck!

    • wr1teone says:

      Thanks Grandma and Mandy. I guess I shouldn’t judge it based on writing a couple of articles, but like you Mandy it took me a little less than 2 hours and if they all take that long it doesn’t come out to much.

      The $1 earning I believe is an introductory rate. I read somewhere that the first 5 articles you write are paid at a lower rate until you have proven yourself basically.

      I have learned to try to focus on my niche (alternative medicine and women’s health), but like many other sites technology and finance seem to be the most lucrative areas.

      I might have to check out your ebook, grandma!

  64. Grandma says:

    I think I was averaging about 120 articles a month to bring in about $600 – $700 a month with TB. It is very possible to earn a lot more, depending on the time of year, your rating level and the type of articles available. If you only made that little, the article must have been a very short one.

    Not to give a plug (LOL) but I did put together the eBook available on this website about writing for Textbroker that covers all I learned writing for them over a two year period. Last year, my income from them was close to $13,000. It is very possible to have a nice supplementary income from TB.

    Try reading the new author to author blog comments on their website. They cover many topics that new writers should know about.

    I am sure that others who enjoy writing for Textbroker will be happy to provide you with some direction also.

  65. wr1teone says:

    After wasting time thinking about my lifelong dream of being a freelance writer, I decided this year I would actually make it happen. I haven’t done much writing since college and felt a bit rusty, but based on the post here I decide Textbroker would be the first site I’d apply for. I was excited to get a 4 star rating since I read that many people start out at 3. I finished my first article and no corrections were necessary. This all made me feel like I was off to a good start and then I saw the $1 and some change payment. Several people report making hundreds of dollars a week, which would be great for me since this is only part-time income for me right now, but I am truly baffled at how anyone makes that much on sites like this. Please tell me what I’m missing. I also feel like it took me too long to write the article to really make it worth my time. Would anyone be willing to share how long it takes you to write an article and anything that you’ve learned over time to write faster?

    As I stated I’m new to freelance writing and I do feel a bit discouraged when considering the work put into some of the articles versus the “pay off.” Years ago I was a copywriter and I got paid 15 times more for writing copy for a retail store that was very similar to one I wrote for Textbroker and I can’t help but feel like we’re all getting ripped off.

  66. Med Writer says:

    Can someone please tell me what CE is?

    I used to write for Ehow, but stopped writing when they switched to DS.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but DS does not provide a revenue sharing model like ehow did?

    • Felicia says:

      CE either stands for copy editor or content editor. I’m not exactly sure what it stands for. The bottom line is they edit your work (for better or worse).

      Regarding the DS/eHow revenue share, you can write revenue share articles through Demand Media Studios. You can write DMS generated titles or your own Writer Created Assignments (WCA). I’ve found the WCA to be more profitable than the DMS titles.

  67. IM says:

    Felicia, the pay for level 5 is 5 cents a word.
    Otherwise textbroker is very low pay aprox 1 penny a word.
    The forum was helpful and the help or CE people are nice – no stress.
    I will soon be sucked into the DS black hole.

  68. April says:

    Meanster: The key to making a substantial income for your time on TB is making it to a level 5. That takes patience and a willingness to do your absolute best on EVERY article…regardless of the level under which it is placed. Once you make it to a 5, those many hours spent slaving over articles that only paid a few dollars are well worth it! I made $100 on an article last week that took about 3 hours to research and write…well worth it I think.

    • Meanster says:

      Yes, I understand. But how patient am I supposed to be? Is it quantifiable? I spent several months writing at Level 4, all 80+ articles rated at that tier. If the editors do not take that work into consideration, I just wasted my own time.

      Really wish I asked for a tier review sooner. But for some reason, I thought authors needed a big portfolio to be judged. The process needs to be defined by textbroker, so all authors have a blueprint.

      • April says:

        It took me almost exactly a year to be promoted to a level 5. I had completed approximately 200 articles with all but 2 being rated at a 4 (the other two were rated at 3s). I am not nearly as fast a writer as most and do not contribute greatly to TB, which is why I only had 200 articles in a year’s time! 🙂 In the latest blog on TB, they stated that they are re-evaluating their procedure for raising levels…you should go have a look at it. Not everyone is happy with TB. It is a great place to start out, and for some, a great place to earn a substantial full time income. Others however, may find another site fits their needs better. Good luck with DS! I was approved, but have never submitted there…to many bad reviewabout the editing process. I have been having great luck with wiseGEEK. I am thinking they may soon become my new favorite! I also like Constant Content! Regardlessof the route you choose, always give each article your best effort!

        • Meanster says:

          Thanks for the heads up on the TB blog, I’ll go check it out. Why did it take you a year to reach level 5? Other writers mentioned getting accepted after just 20 articles. Did you request a review after a year or was a previous request turned down?

          • April says:

            Don’t know really. I started writing for them on occassion in March 2009, but only a few articles a month really until around August or Sept. I didn’t realize we could actually request to be raised to a 5 until they started the blog and someone mentioned it there. I think this is even mentioned somewhere…I apparently didn’t read everything very closely in the beginning! Even then, I didn’t request it right away. I hadn’t yet ventured into a full time career as a freelancer at that point and was primarily doing it for enjoyment and a little extra cash. Once I started thinking about making it a full time thing, I decided to request a raise in level. When I did request, I think I actually ended up sending them a request twice within a couple months of each other. It took a month or so after the last request I sent before they raised me. Their current evaluation takes some time, as ALL the editors have to go through the work and evaluate the writer. As I said, I don’t do nearly as much at TB as many other writers do. My current 400+ articles in the past 2 years pales in comparison with those who do that many in a month or even a couple of weeks! Anyway…not sure how they will decide to chsnge the rating system, I think they are still out on that one!

          • April says:

            I should say, my first request was not turned down, but I didnt hear anything from them after a month or so, so I requested again.

  69. Mandy says:

    Thanks Grandma! Just to be clear – that was the only time I emailed a client to apologize. Deej, I definitely would not do it again in a similar circumstance.

    The way I see it, Textbroker has set up a system by which a customer is almost guaranteed to get what he wants or not pay for an article. With unlimited revisions available and a rejection trump card, rating an article “poor” is just plain bad manners and unnecessary.

    Meanster – While Textbroker may have low pay, it’s an excellent place to get your feet wet. I always did my best on articles even before I made it to a level 5. If you can write good and fast like Grandma, then TB is a good place to make an income. If you write good but slow like me, it’s a great place to get started before moving on. Doing your best and improving your skills is always a good strategy no matter what work you do and its rewards go beyond the pennies you earn.

    • Meanster says:

      Yes, thank you Mandy and Grandma for the comments.

      New to “content mills” but not writing, I actually signed up to learn web writing, coming from a print mentality (over a decade in print.) It definitely was a great chance to switch perspectives and styles. Eye-opening even, learned many techniques. No Job for Mom is also exceptionally helpful!

      Now I’m itching to move on, but asked for Level 5 review just in case something comes of it. Wish I had remembered that editors rate the next 10 articles and not previous work, because I wasted time making the request.

      I also fell out of love with the ratings system because editors expect you to write at your tier no matter what the client is paying. Again, that does not happen in the business world. I can’t walk in to a hair salon and demanded a master stylist for junior stylist rates. Nor can I ask for a partner attorney at paralegal fees. Normally, this suggests that higher-rated authors stick to their tiers, but sometimes the queue is low, with little choice.

      So, I’ve been reading Felicia’s articles on residuals and other writers’ opinions on how to market to corporate clients. Just trying to figure out a better system for myself. Sure, it is possible to work harder for “the mills,” but that doesn’t maximize my earnings. If I write 30,000 words a month, for example, should I be bringing in $300 or $1,500? Hah!

  70. Meanster says:

    I’ve only been with Textbroker a few months. Initially, the rating system gave me a boost in confidence. Then I received a “Good” on an article filled with info that not even the Associated Press was reporting. So I blacklisted the client. Knee-jerk reaction perhaps but no way do I want to invest the effort for someone unable to value quality.

    Lower Tier articles should always be “excellent” no matter what the writing style is, because it exceeds expectations. Meaning, the client is shelling out a few bucks for a cohesive story with facts. If you walked into a Dunkin Donuts, would you expect a filet mignon? No, your money gets you a sausage muffin. How about a 45-minute massage for three dollars? No.

    I immediately lost interest in trying to please people for pennies. Not that I ever phone it in. But I find myself avoiding articles that may earn a bad T.B. rating and that also wastes my time. Trying to work through it.

    • Grandma says:

      Meanster, you appear to have the makings and instincts of a great writer! Never give up!

      Remember that you can always reverse your blacklisting of any client. I usually make a personal note in the personal note area about “good” ratings. Good is good, and not necessarily reflecting a particular level. I am used to excellent ratings, and good is not so pleasing. I might avoid such a client, but it depends on the particulars, and also do they approve an article for payment right away or are they slow.

      Poor and acceptable ratings usually do make me set that client for blacklisting. Also I will blacklist those that have a rejection rate that is above 1/2 percent in most cases. Not worth the risk. I know, their rejection rate could be 50% if they only placed two orders and just rejected one. Still, I like to see zero rejection rates.

      Hang in there! Meanwhile, strive for perfection on every article you write, so TB will raise your level.

  71. Grandma says:

    If there are keywords spelled wrong, sometimes that is how they want it, and TB will take that into account. Your spellchecker will not. I might message them and ask if they want the word corrected, but they do not always answer fast enough. If I do correct it and run into a time problem, I will submit it correctly and message them that if they want the word spelled wrong, please return it to me for revisions and I will fix it spelled incorrectly. Most of the time they want it corrected because they can’t spell or type, but sometimes they want it wrong for SEO browsing options. Many people cannot spell and they browse with incorrect spelling to find something. An article with that bad spelling will then actually come up in the list on their browser and they may find people that otherwise would be missed.

    Depending on how it looks, I will often just skip that article and do another; there are many.

  72. Grandma says:

    Just to clarify one of my comments, Deej, writing the client a note about why you cancel process and return article to the author pool will not save you damage to your rating in and of itself, the fact that then the client cannot reject your article may!

  73. Grandma says:

    Deej – hello! Mandy is very correct! And I also know how bad a low rating makes a writer’s ego feel. But, it is not always the writing; sometimes it is the client or something else. Textbroker will give you a number rating for that piece, just wait. Sometimes they take quite a while doing ratings, by the way, days to a week, don’t worry. They really support their authors, and when they criticize, it is to aid improvement. (NO, I am NOT a TB employee folks, just a freelancer)

    I have received one or two “poor” ratings from clients, and several “acceptable” ones, out of over 3000 articles. AND, one dreaded REJECTION. That one really threw me UNTIL Textbroker accepted it over the rejection because it WAS acceptable. Wait for TB’s rating. If they rate it poor also, they will probably add a note about why it was, or you can contact them and ask about that particular article and your feelings.

    Just go ahead and keep writing. I got an “acceptable” from a foreign client the other day, after I did 2 very detailed rewrites exactly as they wanted, but the client still didn’t want it. They left a very nice note, said nice things about me and my willingness to revise and communicate, accepted it because they were out of time, but also said it was not the same quality as others they ordered from other authors. I have my own opinion about the article! And, this was on a 5*, Mandy, so you know how I felt. Then TB rated it a 4 (they rarely rate anything a 5, no matter if it is a 5 level article – I have only a couple of those numbers) and they accepted it without comment. I hate “acceptable” ratings and put that client on my blacklist; I don’t need the hassle. Blacklisting will prevent me from seeing any more of their articles. There are lots of other clients to work for! And lots of other authors for those difficult clients to try.

    Sometimes, when a revision order looks like it will end up in a bad rating, I just cancel the process and put the article back into the writer pool. Not to cause bad feelings, I will then message the client and tell them I returned it to the open order pool so that perhaps another author will be better able to write for them. That avoids the bad rating and possible damage to your own rating. Damage to your rating from a client comment is unlikely, in my experience, but then I have only had a handful of bad comments out of 3100+ articles written for TB.

    Deej, you could, as Mandy suggested, message that client with an apology, etc., but they may either ignore that or not respond. Personally, in most cases, I would leave any apologies up to Textbroker, put that client on your blacklist with a personal note to yourself why, and move on and forget about it.

    Textbroker says they are having a banner month, with lots of orders – they need you.

    Mandy is also right about you being human!

  74. Deej says:

    Thank you so much for writing and sharing your experience, Mandy. Your story sounds so similar to what I’m going through right now! I almost wrote the Textbroker editors too, although I decided it would be a good idea to get feedback from other writers first.

    This article had very vague directions; it simply gave a website and a list of about thirty activities, three of which were supposed to be included in the article. There were also some slightly unusual keywords that had to be added.

    I intend to blacklist that client and just not write any thing for them in the future; I’m sure that will make them a lot happier and will save me the stress of having this happen with them again.

    I’m planning to go on and write more articles today, although I am still feeling a little down. Thank you for your upbeat and encouraging post, Mandy. I appreciate it so much!

    While I’m thinking about it, does anyone else ever run into orders where the required keywords are misspelled? Do you just ignore that assignment or do you take it and misspell those words? Can textbroker give you a bad rating if you include misspelled keywords?

  75. Mandy says:

    Welcome to Textbroker Deej. First of all, never rewrite an article for free. I had a guy rate my article as poor. I felt terrible because it was a 5* article. I offered to contact the Textbroker editors to arrange a rewrite. Editors told me that a rewrite would not change my rating from client nor impact their rating. In essence, there was no advantage to me doing the rewrite unless I was trying to develop a direct order client, which obviously would never happen with this guy. So, I told the guy that by his accepting the article, there was nothing I could do. He replied with a slew of verbal abuse. He was a jerk and I was glad for my refusal to rewrite the thing. I spent days wringing my hands with anxiety over Textbroker’s pending rating. But they rated it well and I learned a good lesson about having a thick skin and self-respect.

    Even if Textbroker rates an article poorly, it will not – by itself – bring down your rating. As you probably know, they average the last five (I think) articles.

    Sometimes client’s don’t write their instructions well. Sometimes, if you’re writing for the guy who owns the website and the business – Joe of Joe’s Taxi Service – it’s like the guy thinks you’re writing an essay to get his genius baby into an ivy league preschool; nothing will ever be good enough because he’s too cheap to collaborate with a writer with whom he can communicate his love and devotion for his business. Textbroker just isn’t a good platform for those kind of businesses. Sometimes they pay for a level three article when they will accept nothing less than a level 4 or 5.

    Sometimes, you’re just human like all of us writers out there and you have an off day. With all the variables out there, it’s important to keep perspective although my own experience tells me it’s tough to do. Good luck!

    During that time I was so anxious about the poorly rated article, I didn’t write anything. I foolishly missed out on some good articles. The sooner you claim that next title, the better you’ll feel!

    • bumpylight says:

      It shouldn’t be forgotten that a certain percentage of clients in the Textbroker customer base will be suffering from serious personality and psychiatric disorders, just as with the general population. There’s no point to worrying about the risk of running into someone like that. If it happens, professionalism dictates that you either completely ignore the verbal diarrhea or else respond with the barest minimum of courtesy:

      “It is to be regretted that I was unable to meet your needs.”

      No greetings, no closing wishes, nothing. Just that terse remark or something similar to it.

      My model for customer relations is drawn from a marvellous scene in one of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy series of books. I’m sure you know the one I mean. ^^;

  76. Deej says:

    Hi everyone! I’m new to posting, but I have been following this discussion for months. The comments I have read on here have given me the inspiration to go forward working with Textbroker and have encouraged me to be a better writer. Thanks to everyone who is helping me to achieve my dream of writing as a living; even if you don’t realize it, your posts are making a positive impact on my life.

    On a less cheerful note: I just got the worst feedback ever on one of my articles. Although I have had some ho-hum reviews on my work in the past, no one has rated me lower than “average” until tonight. I’ve been with Textbroker since summer of ’10 and have made what I consider to be a good go at it, bringing in a decent amount of money while moving from a 3 to 4 star ranking, recieving positive feedback 90% of the time, and getting quite a few directorders. Oddly enough, this one bad article has sent my mood spiraling downward. I feel as if I have failed this customer and that I’m a terrible writer!

    Does anyone else ever recieve bad feedback? Should I appologize to the client and ask if I can rewrite it for free? I really do feel terrible about this entire event!

  77. Grandma says:

    If anyone has noticed, there are quite a few category 4 and 5 articles on the TB open order list today. Perhaps the good times of spring is already on the way?

  78. Grandma says:

    Thanks Leigh. I have squeaked by in previous years owing nothing or getting a return for various reasons. Last year I think I had to pay about $400. This year just sort of slipped by. I didn’t pay anything because I could not afford to; but have done payment plans before and will once more unless I have another banner spring like last year and make $6000 in three months. I need to put more into my Roth IRA also.

  79. Leigh says:

    The first year of owing taxes hurts, but it isn’t until the year you find out that you owe from the previous year that you have to start paying estimated tax. (If you end up owing tax for 2010, then you should start paying estimated tax in 2011.)

    I pay my taxes 4 times a year at eftps.com. Every month I put 20% into savings, and then take 15% out of that to pay taxes. This year will be a breeze for taxes, thank god!

  80. Grandma says:

    Be sure you save out about 1/5 for taxes and pay a quarterly estimate or you will get burned like I just did.

  81. Marmalade says:

    So I missed my goals for January by a little bit, but I still feel like this has been a good month. I have been able to bring in around $1900 for the month, and I am getting my first apartment. That is a big milestone for me, so I am not so worried about the missed target. I got accepted to Suite 101 today and submitted my first article. It has been published. It was nice to add another site to my basket. I really like the customer service that Suite has been providing to me so far. It’s all on the up and up for 2011 so far. How has everyone else been doing with their writing (or other) goals?

  82. Mandy says:

    yes – sorry.

  83. saurus says:

    Did you mean mealsmatter.org?

  84. Marmalade says:

    My pleasure. I always like when I can find a useful tool such as mint. My personal budget doesn’t really start till next month for me since it is using all of my numbers from this month already. Not to mention the fact that I just bought some of my textbooks, so the numbers are all out of whack anyway. At any rate though, I think it is a great tool.

  85. Mandy says:

    Thanks Marmalade! I started with Mint but upgraded to Quicken to further feed my love of tracking mundane details! I admire your love for graphs, though. 🙂

    Here’s one I just found this past weekend for anyone trying to tame their grocery budget: mealmatters.org. Sign up and create menus, shopping lists, and pantry items for free. With a bit of upfront inputting, you can be breezing through your grocery details in no time. I created a two week menu and a corresponding grocery list. I had to do a double take in the checkout line when my bill was only $65. I feel like a deal-finding diva! The best part is I don’t have to recreate the wheel every two weeks. I can just update what’s there. I also think that if you upload a recipe it’ll calculate the nutrition, but I haven’t tried yet.

    Best of all, I’m not wasting my writing income on junk food.

    Felicia, the blog post looks great without the string of comments. And your spreadsheet is terrific, too. I reformatted it to openoffice since I don’t have excel. All the bells and whistles transferred over just fine. Thank you for all the hard work you put into this blog!

  86. Marmalade says:

    I know this is old hat to everyone, but isn’t mint.com just about the best thing ever? 🙂 I know that I enjoyed killing an hour creating my budget this afternoon.

    For those who don’t know, it is a website where you can create your own personal budget for free. It is a really great site because of all the options it gives you. Personally, I love to be able to look at all of the charts and graphs of my income and spending. I am a chart oriented type of person.

    At any rate, I just think this is a great tool to use for those who want to manage their writing income and their spending. If you have yet to try it, I highly recommend it.

  87. Marmalade says:

    Thanks Grandma,

    Yes, I certainly am going to finish college, there is no doubt about that. Just know that I will earn over $1 million more in my lifetime by getting my degree is enough motivation for me. 🙂 I am still able to maintain a full course load here as well. By the end of this semester I will be halfway done, and I currently have a 3.3 GPA. Hopefully I am able to maintain that, cross your fingers.

    Anyway, back to lunch and then back to work for me.

  88. Grandma says:

    Good job, Marmalade. I read this in the night but was too tired to comment. Read ALL of Felicia’s advice. If you can get a rack of residual articles built up now, while young, you can pay for a lot more than a home!

    Stay in and finish college, no matter what. You will be glad you did. Even if it takes longer at part-time.

    If you need advice on anything, chance are your friends here can provide that, as we probably have a million days experience between us – oh yeah, some of us are really old.

    I suppose if you were to figure my almost 4000 articles at TB at 400 words average, I would have about 1.6 million words. Probably actually more, but the important thing is the over $24,000 that represents. Cash that I might not have earned had I not taken that first article.

    What I like even better, is that I found NJFM, believe it or not. This forum will lead the way to far more than the TB income, and it has been absolutely invaluable. My thanks to all participants. Keep the comments coming! Even old dogs like me can still learn. On a project this very weekend, in fact, that is NJFM inspired.

  89. Marmalade says:

    Hey guys! It has been a while since I have posted on here. I have been busy with both my writing and keeping up with college. However, things have been going well. This has been my second most productive month ever. I am also happy to report that it does look like I am going to be able to get my apartment very soon. That is looking more and more solid each day. It is nice to think that I am able to afford that all because of writing. I will have to remember to put up a banner that says: “This is the home that Textbroker built”. lol

    I am also coming up on a milestone. I am about to write my 1 millionth word for Textbroker (Yes I have been keeping track). I expect to hit that milestone sometime next week. Anyway, just wanted to share that. Happy writing to all of you.

  90. Grandma says:

    Jeremy, you have a flair for humor! Thanks for the chuckles this icy morning in Oklahoma City!

    I think my highest paying article was $200 recently. And, the best direct order was a combination of two orders for a total of about 179 articles that each paid about $5 for about 250 words each. So, there is hope. Hang in there. You are doing well if you are already a 4 level and have been from the start.

  91. Jeremy Nicholson says:

    Hi, I’ve been writing for TB for about a month. For the most part, everything you’ve said is dead on. I am a four-star classification, and have been ever since I saigned up. No, the pay scale is not particualarly great, but the work is easy and if you’re really on the grind will end up paying more than a crappy full-time McDonalds job where some sixteen year old, zit faced moron orders you around all day. Well, I too received an 80% on the proofreading test, but I know exactly which questions I missed. The highest pay for an article I’ve seen so far was $16.00 USD. There is, however, much to be said for going to work at home in your boxers. Hope this ramble helped somehow.

  92. Grandma says:

    Touche, April! There are some amazing writers on TB for a variety of reasons. They may be only temporarily filling a gap. Clients never know, but if they bother to look at the provided author bios, they might get a clue. On the other hand, that might require placing a direct order, and a good writer will have a corresponding fee. Like everything else, you get what you pay for.

  93. April says:

    By the way, Textbroker really doesn’t take that much of a cut. Much less in fact than some other content sites. It’s a small price to pay for having a middle man who supplies the clients and ensures payment. When you work with clients without a middle man, you sometimes have to fight to actually get paid.

  94. April says:

    I’m not sure if this topic is even worthy of much discussion, but you aren’t going to find a good spinner because GOOD writers don’t spin other writer’s hard work. People who spin articles generally don’t KNOW how to write and have poor grammar and sentence structure. On top of that, spun articles read horribly and are a poor example of content. It is always obvious when an article has been spun. You may draw in traffic, but no one is going to stay there long if the content is horrible.

  95. Grandma says:

    Maybe because spinning rips off the writer.

  96. David Sandy says:

    As a client I’m not a big fan of textbroker, I’ve found it to be horribly variable and I know they take a big cut. There’s a web forum called warriorforum where all the website promoters go.

    Every writer on there offers 1-3 review copies and then seems to be swamped. The rate is like 1.5-3 cents a word for native english with huge volume though. I know I can buy 10 articles at a clip.

    The really hard thing to find though is a decent spinner.

    • Felicia says:

      Hi David,

      I see you come from the client side in this online writing arena. Most of the folks here on NJFM are writers and we take our writing seriously. Spun articles, in my opinion, live right next door to plagiarized articles. I’ve been to websites where the owner has spun articles just to milk accidental clicks to earn advertising money. They rarely, if ever, provide useful information for the reader.

      Thankfully, if Ken Crawford’s recent post over at The Freelancer Today is accurate, Google is onto such tactics and is adjusting their search results accordingly.

  97. Meanster says:

    Yeah, I also thought proofreading was 3 cents per word. When I first read that, I wondered, uh what? You mean a client will waste money having two people on one article, when a high-level writer will do? Not sure I understand the service or what the market may be.

  98. April says:

    I guess some are passing it. Hope I manage next time! I’m not sure that there will be much work available though. Apparently, they are paying proofreaders 3 cents per word, but charging clients 5 cents? That seems like a rather large cut. I could be wrong on my figures though. I do kind of wonder why clients would choose to pay for an article and then pay that much to have it proofread…thus paying twice for one article. Seems they would save money by placing it at a higher level in the first place (Hmmm…maybe this will result in more level 5 orders). But, it is still all in the works. I guess we will see what happens! Hope it turns out to be a good thing.

    The forums are back up as normal. I am seeing more and more sarcasm though…

    • April says:

      wait…I’m a little off on those figures! It pays .003 and they are charging .005! Oops! Sorry about that! Ithought 3 cents sounded like alot! I had to reread the newsletter! 🙂

  99. Anna says:

    I just took the test and scored 80 percent, too. Can’t figure what I did wrong, but oh well!

  100. Grandma says:

    I just went over there and the normal listing of formun topic areas is not up, probably just technical difficulties. When I went in through the search button, a bunch of author-to-author threads came up with a lot of format errors, like bold in part of words, etc. Something is just a glitch. It happens. Their entire website has gone down before also.

  101. April says:

    Meanster,

    Welcome to our little group of TBers! Yes, I have noticed the same thing. It was one of my primary concerns about the forum. There is always at least one out there who thinks they somehow have to prove what they can do or how much more they know than someone else. I consider this to be my group of TB colleagues though! 🙂

    I am glad to know I am not the only one who is having trouble accessing the forums today…I was afraid they had for some reason banned me. I never mentioned any other sites, though I did make a comment that I find work at other sites besides TB (as others had mentioned this). I was afraid they took that as being against forum rules and banned me. When I click the forum button, all I see is a “Search forums” button. I did use this and was able to view a few threads and even leave a comment,so perhaps I have not been banned! 🙂

  102. Meanster says:

    This blog is terrific. I’ve been lurking here for a while and learned much in the process, so thank you.

    Just wondering if the textbroker forum is down for everyone? I couldn’t access it today. At first I thought it would be a great place to learn from fellow writers. The forum is not even a week old and has already devolved into lecturing and sarcasm.

  103. Marmalade says:

    Just thought I would give an update on my progress so far now that we are nearly half way through the month. So far I have been happy with the progress that I have been able to make. I am still slightly behind my targets (brought in about $700 so far for the year). I am slashing my deficit everyday.

    I also have some exciting news. I have now returned to school for my first day of classes this semester, but I may be able to get my own place for the first time in my life (living in a dorm to the this point). This is all thanks to the money that I have been able to earn from Textbroker. Thank goodness for this wonderful site.

  104. Grandma says:

    Did not take the test, and probably won’t. Don’t need anymore bad news. I screwed up again and cannot move until Feb or Mar now.

  105. April says:

    Congrats Saurus! I am really thinking they will become a primary source of income for me! Felicia, out of curiosity, is there a reason you don’t include them? I will try to limit the majority of my posts here to TB…since this IS a blog about TB! 🙂 I just visited Ken’s post and left a comment.

    Well, I guess a few people have passed the proofreading test at TB…wish I would have! 🙂 How did you do Grandma? Hope you are feeling better!

    • Felicia says:

      April, no reason. I haven’t included WiseGEEK and a ton of other sites because either I haven’t gotten around to them or they just weren’t on my radar.

      Ken did a great post on them. No need for me to reinvent the wheel. 🙂

  106. saurus says:

    Well, I was accepted into wiseGEEK.

  107. Grandma says:

    The word dribbling has a different meaning at my age LOL!
    Just made reservations at a Denver Extended Stay Motel for 30 days starting on Thursday. Never lived in a motel before; hope it works for me.

  108. April says:

    Hey Grandma! If life throws you basketballs…keep dribbling! 🙂 Hope things start looking up for you soon! The proofreading test is under the assignments tab, between DirectOrders and Statistics. Good luck. It looks as though nobody is having much luck with it. I was thinking this morning that if anyone can pass it, Grandma can!

    They also have created a forum. It is under the home tab. At first, I was excited about a forum. From other sites that have them, it can be a great place for authors to help each other out and develop a sort of comradery. While there does seem to be some advice going on here and there, I see alot of…bashing…kind of… But it is early in the game and there are quite a few good comments. Perhaps it will be a good thing! 🙂

  109. Grandma says:

    Guess I haven’t even found the test yet, where is it?

    Sorry, am in a totally expletive deleted mood, second day now. The only bright spot is trying to work up 1000 words on the history of beer cans.

    Glad my life insurance is paid up. Will hit the road soon, and woke up to a flat tire this morning.

    Made some personal mistakes now evident. Waiting to see if 11 articles I did at WA will be approved or again revised or rejected. That could be a bright spot in my mess.

    It is really hard to focus and work when life throws basketballs at you!

  110. April says:

    That proofreading test is rough. I managed an 80%, but spent a lot of time on it. Honestly, the last question, in my opinion, didn’t really have a correct answer. Anyway, here’s hoping I pass next time!

    Let us know how things work out with wiseGEEK! I just got started with them (finished my testing last month)and have been assigned an editor. I really like the idea of only one editor! I am hoping to work on articles there throughout the day and occasionally grab a 5 at TB!

    I don’t generally bother with places that have rude editors. Helpful suggestions and constructive criticism are one thing, rudeness is another. As freelancers, we are our own “boss” and don’t have to put up with rude and unnecessary comments. Granted, sometimes you have to put up with things to make a dollar, but there comes a point where you have to draw a line. I love the editors at TB and so far, wiseGEEK editors are very helpful and encouraging. Good luck!

    Oh…as far as Constant Content…the secret is to set your price 35% higher than what you want. I have sold quite a few 500-700 word articles there for $100…$65 after the cut. That is more than I would make other places though.

  111. Leigh Ann says:

    I also scored 60% on the proofreading test….has anyone passed it? I agree with CT, it seems flawed to me

  112. saurus says:

    I’ve always been on par with my grammar, but I still managed to get a 60 percent. Better luck next time, I suppose.

    I haven’t really been around here very much lately, but I suspect that somewhat coincides with the fact that I also haven’t been on Textbroker in a long time. My last OpenOrder was back in June, and my last DirectOrder was back in October. These days, I’ve been working a lot on Demand Studios (for better or worse). Lately, I’ve been trying to branch out.

    In all, I’ve been lurking around Break Studios a bit since they seem to have more topics up my alley lately. I’ve dabbled with Constant Content, but I’m not really satisfied with not getting the full worth of my work. I’ve also applied to wiseGEEK and submitted my final test batch yesterday morning, so we’ll see how that goes.

    I also was accepted into the Console Gaming channel in Bright Hub, but I was quickly discouraged when I received rude emails from the Managing Editor there. I submitted an article that was well within the style guide, save for including links that we’re “encouraged,” not “required,” to include. It was sent back with a snippy email, asking me to reread the guidelines because “this article doesn’t comply at all.”

    I didn’t notice the email that he’d sent it back for a week, and I spent the week after trying to figure out what he’d meant. Then I received another snippy asking me if I was going to ever finish the rewrite. So I sent him a message that said yes, of course, but I hadn’t gotten the initial rewrite email.

    He says, “What rewrite? You claimed an article and should have finished it.”

    After that email, I stopped being nice and told him that I don’t let articles rot in my queue, and the fact that I had even submitted it to begin with made it obvious that I indeed finished the article to begin with. When I received no response to that email, I deleted the article with the reason stated as “No longer comfortable working with editor.” So I think Bright Hub is out for me.

    I’ve kind of browsed through the NJFM database for something else that would suit my needs, but to be honest, it’s a bit overwhelming to find something I’d like… perhaps some of you can give me a couple of recommendations? I prefer flat fee, but I’m also interested in getting some residual articles going.

    Hope everybody else is having a good start to the new year, as well.

  113. April says:

    Well, just took the proofreading test and scored 80%…bummer! 🙁 I think I know which ones I missed. I changed the answers to two questions right before submitting…bet that is where I went wrong! Oh well…better luck next time I hope!

  114. CT says:

    I want to hear from anyone who actually passed the Proofreading test for TB. I’m a former copy editor for DMS and I only scored 60% on the TB test. lol

    The TB test is flawed because it asks for more than one possible correct answer, and yet they want AP Style correction applied to the text.

    So with a sentence like this: “my cat (a Turkish van and so cute!) helps me edit by swiping at commas on the screen.” (I’m parapharasing)

    AP Style would have us leave out the parenthetic information – but remember, AP Style is for factual news style articles, not really for informal articles like the “my cat” sentence would indicate.
    So in this case, as a proofreader, not an content editor, you would leave the par. in there.
    And so the great confusion of the TB proofreader test is – Do I choose only the answer based on AP Style preferences (this particular rule is not set in stone for parenthesis), or do I ALSO choose or ONLY choose the answer best applied to informal articles (leaving the parenthetic info in the sentence)?

    Really vague as to what TB wants. No guidelines other than “be familiar with AP Style” and then “more than one answer may be correct” on the test.

    NOT a good way to test proofreading ability. Really bad. Hopefully, they will see this for themselves and get serious about the testing. The test as it stands is just a tricky trivia game test and you will need to be LUCKY to pass it.

  115. Marmalade says:

    Wow! What a day! I expected that today would be a good day on the site since it was a Monday, but I never could have predicted the kind of day that it actually turned out to be. The amount of articles that were loaded onto the site today was impressive. I have to say that I had my best day of the year so far. I was very excited about all of this. But the day was not ready to stop giving me surprises just yet. About midday I realized that Textbroker had made some updates to the site. I think that the new tools that they have added are pretty cool. If you haven’t seen them yet, then make sure you check them out. Finally, to top it all off, I may have a new direct order client. The potential is there at least. I have had some commitments take back their promises before, but I am hopeful. Hope that everyone else had a great day as well!

  116. April says:

    Well, they did move me to a 5 almost a year ago, so I guess taking the serial comma out was the “Right” choice, even though I still think it is wrong not to have it. In my humble opinion, it lessens the chance of confusion when you use it. I guess all of the other comma “rules” I have grown up with primarily apply. I was taking them out because of all the comma “talk” among TBers! I just find it odd that they told me AP doesn’t use it, yet the resources they refer to does! Oh well!

    I see that they are also going to implement a forum! I hope that doesn’t take away from this blog! I know I will remain here! 🙂

    Grandma, hope all is well and things look up for you soon!

  117. Leigh Ann says:

    April,

    I am glad someone else has an issue with that! I have “comma paranoia” these days thanks to TB. That is the one thing they ding me on consistently, and the reason why they denied my move from a level 4 to level 5 because according to them, I made the “same, consistent error” (ok, I am stubborn, but I like the serial comma) I am now removing it every time I proofread a TB article, so hopefully that will make the difference. I still think it needs to be in there

  118. Grandma says:

    Thanks April, but right at the moment nothing is up my alley. I am in a really bad mood…but will get over it.

  119. April says:

    If you haven’t checked out the latest TB blog, there are lots of changes coming! It looks to be exciting. I am most excited about the proofreading option they are going to include. I see that they will be allowing level 4 and 5 writers to test for this. It says they will be using the APA style guide. So…I have a question. As far as TB articles, they have about deleted the comma out of me! 🙂 I actually have only had a couple of instances where they made comments regarding either a lack of a comma or the inclusion. The ones where I didn’t include a comma where there should have been one were instances where I had gone against my better judgement and left it out because they seem to have a sort of…grudge…against the poor comma! 🙂 So, I was wrong in those instances. My primary concern is the serial comma. I personally prefer to use it and do so in all but my TB articles because they commented on one article “AP style does not use the serial comma.” Now, I can’t tell you WHY a rule regarding grammar or sentence structure is in place, or which style uses what, I have just always written what “Feels” right to me! So…back to the serial…they tell me AP DOESN’T use it, yet when I just checked OWL Purdue (which they recomend), it states that the serial comma SHOULD be used! So…any thoughts? Grandma…this one may be up your alley!

  120. April says:

    THe only problem with that is that they are all for levels 4 and 5! WA wants to keep me at a 3! I suppose if I added a bit to my profile and created a blog they might advance me. It appears in their guidelines for rating they like to see that their writers have their own blog…I don’t yet…keep thinking about it. I’ve only done 10 articles for WA. I don’t like the once a month payment either.

    I am getting started at wiseGEEK next week. I completed the testing last month and was assigned an editor the other day. Looking forward to that. I am thinking it will allow me to develop more of a schedule and it will be rather simple after I have finished a few batches! If all works out as planned, I will be getting most of my income through them and grab an occassional level 5 article at TB! I also have my CC articles that may sell on ocassion! Hoping to make this year more productive than last!

  121. Leigh Ann says:

    Grandma,

    I just completed one of those Writer Access articles and am working on my second one. The first one took me a little while, but then I got smart and created a template to match the instructions, so the second one is going much more quickly! If anyone has looked at them and passed b/c the instructions seemed too complex, I’d encourage them to look again. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not that bad, and there often groups of these out there on the site. I wish I’d tried one a few weeks ago when I first looked at them instead of assuming it was “too hard”. I could have made a bunch of money already 🙁

  122. Grandma says:

    Writer Access has a ton of articles up right now all for one client, but the instructions are very specific. If you can figure it out, they are all good pay and there are about 170 up this morning. They have been up for days, so I am thinking nobody wants to write them yet. I don’t…LOL…but if you did one correctly, chances are you could do many.

  123. Marmalade says:

    Thank you for the encouragement Grandma. I am happy to say that I was able to reach my goal for the day and I was even able to catch up a little. This means that I am running less of a deficit now. lol. 🙂 I have also found that weekends are really slow on the site. Hey, even clients don’t like to work on weekends 🙂 Oh well, I hope that there is some work for me to do the next two days. That would be really great. Would love to catch up on some of the work and catch up on my quota. Good luck to us all this weekend.

    • Felicia says:

      Marmalade, have you tried Writer Access? They’re similar to Textbroker. You might be able to write there when things are slow at Textbroker.

    • Ira says:

      Writer Access is great money, but they have a hard time keeping jobs available lol 😀

      The Content Authority and Content Divas are a couple I have had pretty nice success with as well; Content Divas pys quite a bit for their workers, from what I have seen.

      If nothing else, it’s a couple to check into for your down times with TB, and it’s always good to diversify yourself.

  124. Grandma says:

    Marmalade, if it is any consolation, I have only written one tenth of my goals for the first 7 days of January at Textbroker. 3 articles, 2 were direct orders and the other one the client apparently hated and marked as poor.

    Still, not to be discouraged, I am not worried because of what late December brought me, which was my entire goal for January paid yesterday. I remember last January was my worst month of the year, and am not worried. Most of the month is left, and things do come in. It’s just part of the flow.

    Starve one month, feast another, which is why it is good to learn how to manage the money you do get in so it covers the gaps that are bound to happen.

    Today is a Friday, and from experience, I never expect much new on weekends, but direct order clients and other writing websites can help. It is the ideal time, also, to catch up on all the other “stuff” there is no time for during the rest of the year, like planning, and doing other things that need to be done.

    The perils of freelancing include not counting on what money will be made, you just never know. Goals are needed, but don’t beat up on yourself if you miss a couple once in a while. It happens.

  125. Marmalade says:

    An update on my new year’s resolution. Well the first 6 days of the new year have not been record setting to say the least. I am currently a whopping $196.06 behind my targets for the year just 6 days in. The work has been slow on the site, but the real blame has to rest on my shoulders. The good news is that I do feel very motivated to get right back at it tomorrow. Hoping to make some major progress towards making up some of the ground that I have lost already. A good nights rest, and then right back at it. Looking forward to a big day tomorrow…. hopefully.

  126. Grandma says:

    Yes, Felicia is right. There may be a week or more with nothing from TB that you want to do, but do something else productive. It always has come back so far, and I have been writing for TB since summer 2008. I know the feeling of those non-quota days. But then, something always comes out of the blue. Keep doing your best, look for new income, it’s the perfect time to write some residual type articles. Write a bunch and worry about where to put them later, then place them all at once. Winston Churchill “never give in”…(10-29-1941)

    “Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never–in nothing, great or small, large or petty–never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”

  127. Marmalade says:

    Sometimes you have to take a deep breath apparently. The problem with creating new years resolutions around making a certain amount of money through writing is when the supply drys up. That is clearly what we saw over the holiday. It was a rough one. I missed my target on New Years Day, and didn’t get any work done at all on the 2nd (out of town). I have to say that while I am trying to catch up, I am not too worried about anything yet. You can’t help when there is no work to do. A little behind for the year, but not too worried.

    • Felicia says:

      Marmalade, try writing a few residual articles at the beginning of this year. By year end they should be earning pretty well so that if titles dry up again this year your income shouldn’t suffer so much.

  128. Mandy says:

    April – thanks for that info!

    Grandma – I don’t think “ending” up like you would be a terrible thing! But your point is spot on. My family has already seen changes in me, such as the kids are doing a lot more dishes than they used to.

  129. Grandma says:

    Mandy, just so you don’t end up like me in 30 more years, I will tell you what 2011 goal point #1 is, and I will probaby send you the entire list….LOL

    2001 Goal #1: Take care of Linda (Grandma) first.

    Taking care of others to the detriment of ourselves is something that women, espeically mothers, do. But, if you and your being is depleted, you can no longer take care of anyone else, much less yourself. Take time and care for yourself first, so you have the inner strength and resources to care for others.

    It really is your responsiblity as a mother to take care of yourself. Many men do not understand this, as they want to be first. But I think what they might be wanting is some mothering, and that is not what the wife is supposed to be doing. I have my own thoughts about men being stupid about that, but that is only based on my experiences….LOL.

  130. April says:

    Good luck Mandy! WG isn’t always hiring. I happened upon an ad last month that they are (or were) currently hiring. I would give it a shot anyway…they may still be hiring. I have read posts about people saying it is hard to get accepted, but I think maybe that is because they don’t hire all the time. You will have to go through a testing period of 3 groups of 3 articles (which you get paid for). Once accepted, they assign you an editor. I like the idea of 1 editor! They pay between $10-$14 per 400 word article. I am excited to get started. I hope they get my info soon so I can start writing on a regular basis. One of the best thngs about them is they pay as soon as each group of at least 5 articles is accepted (usually within a couple of days after you submit them). I have heard a couple of accounts of people being fired. I think they are rather strict about sticking to guidelines and providing absolutely 100% unique content.

    I hear IB sometimes takes awhile to hear from. I never actually got an email that I had been accepted. I went back to the sign up page and found out there! Even then, I didn’t send them my w-9 info until a couple of days ago! They are supposed to send me info regarding style guides after they get my w-9, but my email address is different than when I signed up. Hopefully they get my email to them about my change in address!

    I also ran across a new site still in beta called Contently. Not much info on there right now, but may be worth keeping an eye on. They appear to be very similar to Textbroker. They don’t require a W-9 until you have made at least $600, so I may give it a try.

    I was accepted at Demand nearly a year ago with the eHow change, but haven’t bothered with them. I hear too many negative things about them. It sounds like it would take so much time revising and going back and forth with different editors that it wouldn’t be worth the time and too much of a headache! I am not overly fond of writing “How to” articles anyway!

    I’ve about given up on Writer Access too…not enough work available. The once a month payment is diiscouraging as well!

    I imagine Textbroker will remain among my favorites, but I need some other form of up-front payment! If the level 5 articles would pick up, I could spend more time there! 🙂 Direct Orders are great, but I found that I somtimes feel “bogged down” if I get a large number of DOs…especially when they are all related! I had one client who completely burned me out on writing about chocolate and chocolate companies! So, I like DOs…as long as they are spread out and allow me time to select things I want to write about!

  131. Mandy says:

    That’s a great idea, Grandma. One of my goals is finding a group of like-minded people. So, I’m considering a work-at-home group in the area, or a writer’s group, or checking the Demand Studio group meeting in the area. Staying at home so much was a huge problem for me in 2010. So, I am also thinking about reconnecting with a women’s resource center here in town that I used to volunteer for. They need people to help write resumes, so I thought that would be added writing experience as well. But I am giving it a lot of thought because I tend to jump into things and find myself overbooked.

    April, thanks for those other sites. I’m going to check them out. Finding more sites to write for upfront pay should help avoid the Textbroker and Demand Studio burnout.

    I’m in my thirties too. Time definitely got away from me too. Once the kids were in school, I felt obligated to do a bunch of stuff, from dishes to laundry, and of course my share of doing plain nothing. My husband and I have had recent conversations on how to make this work. Certainly, giving my writing time the priority of a job will help a lot. In 2010, I was a full time mom who wrote on the side. In 2011, I will be a full time writer who is a mother.

    Like you, I am thinking about retirement. But my kids are quite a bit older, so I am also thinking about the importance of recovering my “Mandy” identity – that person I am in addition to being “Mom.” It’s easy for us women to get caught up in taking care of everyone that we we push ourselves to the background.

  132. Grandma says:

    April, one thing I definitely want to do once I get up in the Denver area is attend some of the writer groups meetings. Meet some people and discuss freelancing in person, etc. There are several. Also, there are groups called “leads groups” that are for small businesspeople to network. Can’t hurt, that’s for certain. Get out of the “alone at home” rut and socialize.

  133. April says:

    I’m with you on the browsing and the scheduling thing Grandma! Another objective in adding wiseGEEK and IB to my work options is to create a schedule. I am not sure how IB works yet, but I know WG requires a specific amount of articles be completed each month. I am hoping this will motivate me a little more and get me going each day! I like the encyclopedia type format they require, so I am hoping that once I get started with them I will get faster and be able to complete a few a day in addition to one or two at TB!

    Creating residual income is also a goal for 2011. I have a hub account, but only 2 articles in it so far and I have yet to get Google Adsense! Your comment earlier about retirement got me thinking Grandma! I am in my 30s, but retirement is something to think about. If I start now, maybe in 20 years I will have created enough in my spare time to retire early! Of course, I kinda feel like I am in semi-retirement working from home as it is! I do kind of miss the “people factor” of having a traditional “job” and have considered getting a part time at some point. Still working on getting this up off the ground for now though. I have been very lazy in my first year of full time freelancing and it is time to pick up the pace…thus the work schedule! I really do need to “make” myself work! It is so easy to get up, turn the TV on, sit on the couch with a cup of coffee…and stay there for a couple of hours (or a few…or all day…)!

    Good luck to everyone in 2011!

  134. Grandma says:

    I have been moving around the country so frequently over the past 7 years that I don’t have real friends in every town, just son and his immediate family in Denver area, and daughter and her immediate family in OKC. Really enjoyed the past four months in Lansing MI area, where I lived for a couple decades. Got to see friends there and in Traverse City, where we also spent 10 years. Those last two cities are where my “land” friends are. Now I have a bunch of online friends that I really enjoy communicating with. Most I have never met and never will meet. Still, they are my friends, and they are probably better friends and closer than my “land” friends nowadays. Also, many of my “land” friends are email friends now.

    • Felicia says:

      Hey Grandma, never say never. When I finally hit my residual income goals and get my NJFM-Mobile (my RV), we’ll be able to meet in person when I travel to your neck of the woods.

      • Grandma says:

        I should be living in Colorado. LOL Or maybe even Alaska, my son thinks that is a good place to go to work, no state tax.

        I apparently no longer have any roots, makes it easier to tumble around the country, even though I have no wish to travel anymore…been there, done that…

  135. Grandma says:

    In looking at year end totals, I discovered that my TB income alone went up by about 50% in 2010. 2009 was about $8400, 2010 about $12,500 just from TB. I still love them! Direct order clients really can make the difference. In a slow December, I was assigned 179 articles by one, definitely a plus in an otherwise traditionally slow month that I did not expect much from.

    This year I set a goal to double my income on all fronts, so this will be a real challenge. Worth it, however.

    As for wasting time, point #2 on my (so far) 23 point goal list for 2011 is to stop wasting time on the Internet. So, on my daily schedule, I now have freedom to browse first thing in the morning, 7-8am. That does not conflict with my goal point #14 – set a regular work schedule. Gee, that doesn’t sound like freelancing, but it is necessary to avoid wasting time, at least for me.

    Now, goal point #7 is to make new friends and stay in contact with the old ones, so that gives me an opportunity to stop here during the “work” day. LOL

  136. April says:

    Happy New Year fellow TBers!

    Wow…the holidays really seem to be taking their effect on the amount of orders right now! But, as always, I am sure it will pick back up!

    In the meantime, I have been expanding my portfolio of available opportunities. I went through the lengthy testing process with wiseGEEK last month and was accepted! I sent them the signed contract and W-9 form yesterday, so should be able to start writing regularly in about a week or so! I am excited, though I have read a couple of blog posts from people who were fired…so I will be treading lightly and carefully!

    I also finally got around to sending my info to Internet Brands. For those who may remember, I signed up at a place called “knowledgwriting” a few months ago. I was accepted, but couldn’t find any contact info, so decided to let it go. Thanks to Felicia and someone else (I think it was Ignatius?), it was verified that it was in fact Internet Brands. I still never had done anything with it, but decided to go ahead and send my info this morning. Hopefully I will hear from them next week.

    I love TB, but I have found since being promoted to a level 5 that I am reluctant to take on any level 4 articles. This is primarily due to the lower pay and I am afraid if I accept a 4, I may miss a 5 while I am writing! With other places to write for, I can concentrate on only filling 5s….and perhaps an occasional 4 if it is simple.

    I also love CC, but there is no guarantee of a sale there. It is a great place to post work that may be rejected elsewhere (as long as it is not rejected for grammatical and spelling issues). I recently had an article I did on TB sent back by the client with some somewhat rude comments. Rather than do the revisions and risk a rejection, I released the article and submitted it to CC. The client (at TB) claimed that the grammar was horrible. However, it passed through editing with CC immediately (and CC has strict rules regarding grammar) and sold the same day for $20 more than I would have made on TB! Of course, CC took their cut, so I actually only made a few dollars more than I would have at TB, but it made me feel good just the same!

    So anyway…I figure the New Year is a good a time as any to start looking for some new doors to open. I am guessing though, that as always, TB will remain one of my mainstays!

    Happy New Year all!

    • Ira says:

      April, it’s good to see you expanding out. TB is a wonderful place to grow and cut your teeth, but as everything in life, it’s not the end-all be-all 😉

      I still use them frequently to make sure I am supporting my business without having to cut into family funds to do it, but I’ve cut back on them quite a bit to work and focus on my own sites.

      I had a similar experience as you did with the rejected article; it’s so funny how picky some people can be on there. I did one a couple days ago that accepted an article, but gave me the lowest he could in the “followed directions” area… even though the article was exactly what he wanted. 😛 Hate that lol

  137. Marmalade says:

    Thank you friends for the great advice.

    Grandma, thank you for the investing advice. Allow me to put your mind at ease a little bit. I have actually invested in the stock market before. I have also been studying the market since I was a freshmen in high school. 🙂 It is certainly a gamble (particularly in the modern day), that is why I am someone who is going to stick to the blue chip stocks. I am not big on taking huge risks. I appreciate the concerns, glad you were looking out for me. 🙂

    Felicia, thank you for sending my message to your son. I hope that it is helpful to him in some way. Does he write also? It is always great to get your kids interested in making and more importantly saving their money as early as possible. I learned this lesson by just living it. While I was blessed to attend a private high school (through the charity of the Catholic Church), I have never felt entitled to anything. I could not understand how many of my classmates felt so worthy of all of these expensive things. The arrogance at my high school was always at high levels. I think that this helped to recommit me to not be like that. I personally have taken to what some would consider to be extreme levels. I have selected not to drive at all at least until I get out of college in order to save money. Before I go on any more in this holier than thou sounding message, I just wanted to say that it is great to hear that you are encouraging him to set goals.

    Last but not least Ira, I am interested in more information about what you were talking about. I fear that I will not have enough time to maintain a personal website, but more information would be great. I have never attempted something like this before, but if it can bring in decent amounts of money, then I am all for it. I have used a little bit of the money that I have made already to reinvest into my writing. That is to say that I purchased a grammar checking with some of it, and I have gotten some other organizational materials. I like the idea of reinvesting in my writing in order to make more money. Thank you for your comment.

    I appreciate all of the support and information. I will write again soon and provide updates starting with the new year.

  138. Grandma says:

    One more thing, Marmalade, would be to be sure you research prior to investing in anything like the stock market. Especially pay attention to finding investments that would be tax free…so you get to keep your hard earned money. The stock market is never a sure thing, it’s a gamble. A Roth IRA may save you some tax money in the long run. I am not an advisor on this and I have learned the hard way, more than once, about how to lose money many ways. Other decisions, like who you marry, what you buy, and on and on can make or break you financially. Look online for advice from successful millionaires and how they did it. Like, for example, Warren Buffet…still living in his modest $30,000 home he bought decades ago and driving old car…how people with money keep it. Good luck…and good more than luck (planning). Ira gave you some great advice, as did Felicia.

  139. Marmalade says:

    Hi guys!! Been a while since I have written on here, but I felt the spirit to do so today 🙂

    So it is almost the new year and I am very excited. It’s time for all of those new year resolutions. That clean slate is one of my favorite things about this time of year. Historically speaking, I have not been one for making resolutions, particularly not public ones. However, this year feels like a great one to make some writing earnings resolutions.

    Some of you make goals to write a certain number of articles, but I have never tracked myself this way. I suppose for me it is all about the dollar signs. lol. I think any method of pushing yourself to do more is great though.

    So my resolution for the year of 2011 is to write $25,000 worth of articles. That is how much I would like to earn all told. I believe that if I keep up the effort that I put in the month of November, then this goal should be no problem. However, I am interested in having you guys keeping me honest. I will try to post on my progress on here as often as possible.

    I think that this is a great goal for someone my age (19) to have. I am hoping to put a lot of that money to work in the stock market. I just want to start saving and investing as much as possible at a young age. I have come from a lower middle class family, and I don’t want to always live this way. While I am thankful for the life that my family has provided for me, I want to provide an even better one for my future family.

    Thank you guys for the support.

    • Felicia says:

      Marmalade, I truly believe you can do it. We’d love to see your progress here.

      Once you make your plan, all you have to do is stick to it (sounds simple, but it’s not always so simple). Your comment is such an inspiration that I’m forwarding it in an email to my 19 year old son.

      Thanks for sharing your goals with us.

      One thing I’d like to add, Marmalade, is that you should write the occasional article for residual sites. It will pay off in the long run.

    • Ira says:

      Felicia’s right in the residual comment, and I would also add that, if you think of your writing as a business (you should!), you could take a couple tips from successful businesses.

      For instance… instead of playing the stock market with what you make, take a portion of your profit and inject it back into the business. Since you have experience writing (and writing well), you could use that experience to create an informational product that is needed by people, setting up a website (they’re really cheap!) and sell your product for a low price. You can use the profit from TB to pay for the hosting service (maybe $10 a month or better for unlimited hosting), create a lot of these info products or e-books and set up a site for each one.

      Or, run them all off of one site and go fro there.

      Just an idea for you. There’s lots of things that you could do to re-invest yourself with little risk and nothing lost, really.

      Anyhow, good luck to you, and I hope that all of your plans come about for you! Remember, action is the only thing that will get you there! 😀

  140. Grandma says:

    Awwwwwwwwwww, thanks Ira! Yes, loved is good. You too!

    Even at my old dog age, a person still needs that! But sometimes we forget and get lost. I have been on sort of a “retreat” from everything the past four months, here with an old friend I didn’t know I had, who turned me around again. Now I have again experienced those endorphin feelings of love and happy that I had totally lost It is nice to just “be” and “be in the moment” and enjoy “being” and feel happy and comfortable in those moments.

    As for work, while I am creating goodies for my direct order client, I check the open order pool and find a boatload of new ones I also want to write. Seems I am getting eyestrain from working on the computer so much, but that can be helped by frequent breaks. Write, break, write, break…not such a bad way to earn money at home, is it?

  141. Grandma says:

    Hi guys…wishing all Happy Merry Christmas Holidays! I am moving again this weekend, back to OK for a few weeks, then on to CO (hoping for long stay there…).

    It’s been an interesting year, much due to the influence of Felicia and this website, and of course, Textbroker.

    In a short (of work) holiday month, it is so satisfying to line up a new direct order client, as happened to me recently. Super duper client, and has already trusted me with 50 articles, with more to come. Just the thing I needed.

    I try never to worry, even though I am a natural born worrier, because things always seem to work out, even if only at the last minute. All kinds of things, not just work. I basically just leave it up to God and look for what comes my way. That, in itself, has been a blessing.

    So, thankful for all my challenges and victories, and for and all my new friends online, I am heading into the new year with some new things in store, new digs, and an attitude that this (2011) will be my biggest money year yet for online freelancing. Also, I have new hope for funding my retirement with residual writing.

    Personally, I think online work is the way of the future for many people, especially writers. Although it is electronic, you can easily see how much online content depends on writing skills. So, I am grateful for an excellent education that started – oh, I don’t want to think of how many decades ago – in Detroit, MI, and has never ended.

    In the famous words of Winston Churchill, never give in. Never give up the quest; what you want is there, somewhere. Have a glorious and happy New Year!

  142. Marmalade says:

    Beautiful new layout for the site. I love it!

    Happy money making monday to you all. That’s what I call it anyway since monday appears to be the best day for new articles. Anyway hope that everyone had a good thankgiving and is having a good week of writing, I know that I am! 🙂

  143. Grandma says:

    Me stop talking? LOL – Never gonna happen! Today my daughter is 29 years old. I am thankful for being right here. (No, the two are not connected, I do miss her) This is a very no-stress situation here, and I totally love that! It’s like living within a great big hug all the time. I will really miss that when I have to move.

    Set a new goal to get into the residual writing market AND to produce 1000 of those articles somewhere over this next year. For a start. That should help set me up for those “retirement” years, as if the big R will ever happen! Actually, I think I have already done retirement in my life, and now it’s time to work. I did it backwards so I would be able to do what I wanted to do…he he…

    I remember one Thanksgiving when the turkey was not thawed enough…that sent me out for a long walk to the park! Oh yeah, back in college, my one roommate cooked the bird without taking out the plastic bag full of stuff in the middle. And I love the photo I took of my niece and my Mom stuffing the bird, when little Angie and Mom were both looking intently into the cavity from each side of the bird…still makes me laugh.

    By Christmas I will be all moved to the Denver area and be near my son (he will be 33 in Feb) and his family. Then the holidays will be gone again and a new year will begin. Looking forward to next April/May (time when I last had my peak earning month with TB, $3400+) and hoping to repeat and boost that!

    How nice to have someone else do today’s cooking and dinner. I will bring a big bottle of Riunite Raspberry wine. It will be fun.

  144. Kim McLendon says:

    Hi everyone,

    First off I’d like to say that I am hooked on TextBroker. It’s just a lot of fun, even after working all day. I am thankful to all of you for letting people know about this opportunity.

    I just put up a blogger site, and want a critique if you could. No traffic yet and I only have two pages, but want to know if this is the right idea before I put more work into it.

    Also I’m a little blue about my suite articles. I suspect there is something wrong with either my topic choice or my key wording or something… I’ve only earned like 40 cents so far on my 22 articles. I need to learn more about SEO… any suggestions?

    I am trying to build my portfolio so to speak. I am trying to expand my on line work to a few more markets. I am considering selling some stuff in Etsy and getting up nerve to apply to Writer Access. I am a little nervous because I am still having trouble with extra commas on Text Broker. I’m still a 3 there. I do have writing experience, but it’s all been small town local till about a couple of months ago.

    I hope that Grandma is feeling better? I know deaths can really mess up the holidays. My dad passed away a couple of years ago and since then I have trouble getting my teen girls to visit their Grandma enough. They go over and just feel sad because their Grandpa isn’t there. It’s really been hard on all of us. I think it must be terribly hard for the surviving spouse, because no one wants to be around them… at least that’s been my mom’s experience. I’m her only source of entertainment, which is difficult for me.

    I was also wondering if the rest of you stay at home writers have your entire family fighting for your attention while you are writing. Usually my husband is talking constantly, and my mom calls and wants to talk for hours every day. My kids are most cool, but I worry if they are getting enough attention. That’s the main reason I pull all nighters, but it becomes difficult when I have to keep going for days like that.

    Kim

  145. zulu says:

    Does anyone have tips on how to write articles more quickly? I find it takes me hours to write just 350 words. I need to really get a leg up on this.

    Thanks
    Zulu

  146. Oceanside Blogs says:

    Felicia:

    Searched your site, but haven’t seen any posts on ScriptLance. Wondering if you, or any of your followers, have ever checked out the writing jobs posted on their site? Might be another possibility for some freelancers.

    Happy American Thanksgiving!

  147. Crystal says:

    Grandma – Sorry you’re feeling down for the holidays. As Felicia said, don’t stop talking to us here – often times talking helps and I don’t believe any of us are just fair-weather friend types.

  148. Grandma says:

    Thanks Mandy, I will keep that info in mind for when I get my own laptop. We should be getting the other back soon.

    Anybody else have trouble with these upcoming holidays? I have not had the spirit since my Mom died in 1993. Did it a few years after for the kids, but last many years I just want it over. And I do know what the religious aspect of it is about. Doesn’t matter now. Guess I should just not talk to anybody these days when I am so negative.

    • Felicia says:

      Grandma, I’m so sorry to hear you’re feeling down at this time of year.

      I understand how you feel. When my mom passed back in 2003, I had a rough time of it. Then I remembered that the holidays were her favorite time of year so I felt obligated to enjoy them for the both of us. After all, when I pass away, I’d hate to have her meet me at the pearly gates and whap me in the head for not carrying on her tradition. My mother was a character and would much prefer we remembered her with joy rather than sadness.

      Grandma, even if your mood doesn’t pick up, don’t stop talking to us here at NJFM. We understand and would love to help if we can.

  149. Mandy says:

    Sorry to hear about your computer virus – I’ve reformatted our desktop many-a-times due to pesky viruses. I’ve since had good luck with the free version of AVG, in case you want to give it a try.

  150. Grandma says:

    Apparently the laptop problem is a virus. I am guessing I picked it up in browsing over some UK websites for research and article background. So, no more UK origin articles or browsing for me, it’s that simple.

  151. Marmalade says:

    What an amazing Monday! The articles are back and so is my motivation. 🙂

  152. Grandma says:

    Well, my roommate does have our own ISP through ATT now. I could get on some things on the laptop but still not functioning on most websites. I will just have to wait until he takes it in to his computer friend to fix. What a pain this is. I can do everything on the desktop computer, so that helps. Now I just do not feel like working. Maybe I need a break. Bad timing however. Thanks everybody for the tips. I did try a couple but still problems. I wanted to restore back a few days but could not do that because the restore function had been turned off so there is nowhere to go back to. I will just have to be patient. Deer hunting season is delaying things. LOL

  153. Ira says:

    Hey there Lucy!

    Welcome to the wonderful world of freelancing 😉

    Congrats on getting into TB with a level 4. I started at 3, but was bumped up to 4 after 2 articles hehe

    Those sites you mentioned sound like something I would be interested in. I used to write training manuals and got a kick out of it lol

    Thought I would toss an update in with this comment. After being disabled and broke (literally… no income at all, even denied disability *sigh*) ahem.. Anyhow.. after 4 years of being disabled and broke, I have, in my first week with TB, made $120. That pleases me more than I can say heh

    Just had to share the good news, hope you don’t mind me doing that Felicia 🙂

    • Felicia says:

      Ira, I never mind hearing good news. I’m also glad that you share your story because other people in similar situations will realize that it’s not hopeless and that you can earn money online (even after 4 years of not earning money). Keep sharing the good news.

  154. LucyHC says:

    I was able to get a Level 4 rating and finished my 5 articles. I think while I wait to see the feedback, I will research more “baskets” for my “eggs.” I’ve read in several places that Textbroker is pretty good and consistent for new writers and always provides steady (if not slow or measly) income. I’m off to lurk the comments on a few more posts and see what I can gather.

    Another aspect I might look into is to write items for standardized testing through places like Measurement Incorporated (http://www.measurementinc.com/Employment/ItemWriter). I am nerdy enough to actually get excited about making up a, b, c, and d selections. Nerd alert! Nerd alert! I would also really dig being an online tutor through Smarthinking or other such online writing programs.

  155. Marmalade says:

    Welcome LucyHC

    I am a bit of a newbie on this board as well, however I have been Textbroker for a while. I hope that your writing sample goes well with them. I think you are correct in saying that the general sentiment on the board is that slow and steady wins the race. This is just something that has never worked well for me I suppose. haha. I just like to see the dollar signs. If you are hoping to establish a regular income and you want to go slow and steady, then I recommend that you use a variety of sites to write for. Don’t just stick to Textbroker with that strategy. On that note, I gotta get back to my writing. lol. Best of luck

  156. Leigh says:

    Grandma, why can’t you hook up your own wifi? You’re pirating airwaves, and at any time those people might secure their networks, leaving you OOL.

  157. LucyHC says:

    Hello everyone,

    I just registered for and submitted my writing sample for Textbroker and am awaiting my rating response. While I’m waiting, I just wanted to thank everyone for the invaluable comments. I’ve enjoyed reading through them and taking notes. I love to write and am so happy I decided to research how to make a steady income from following my passion.

    I have especially enjoyed reading how people have found success by making the circumstances work for them. “Slow and steady wins the race” seems to be a theme for long-term success. The encouragement to have confidence is also uplifting. I love the open hearts and willingness to share tips and experiences–I hope to be able to share some of my own soon.

  158. Ignatius says:

    Aargh! Must have first dose of caffeine before writing. I just read back my own email and realized that I left out a step. When you pick the icon for your network connection, you need to right-click it and select “Repair” from the right-click menu. Then follow the steps. Hope you get this fixed soon.

  159. Ignatius says:

    Grandma,
    You may not be connected at all. The landing pages you see may be cached pages (accessed from files saved on your computer, not from the Internet). I don’t know if you are able now to get on to see the advice, but try going to the “File” menu at the top of your browser and see if “Work Offline” might be checked. Sometimes you can accidentally get into that mode.

    Also, if you have a wireless icon on the bottom of your window, click on it to see if it shows that you are connected. You can also troubleshoot your connection by going to My Computer/Control Panel/Network Connections and click on the icon for your connection (these names may be a little different if you have a different version of Windows)

    Let us know if you get back on. If I have other ideas, I’ll come back and post them.

  160. April says:

    Grandma: I’m no techi…I only learn as I go. Since you are able to get online and go to a couple of sites, it might be a problem with your browser. Try cleaning out your cache and make sure all browser add-ons are enabled. I just got back from staying at a time-share condo where they had wireless and couldn’t get connected. It took 2 techis who couldn’t help me and about 3 hours before I figured out on my own that the add ons on my browser settings were disabled. Now, I can’t tell you exactly why that matters, but as soon as I enabled them I was up and running! You might also run a security check to make sure you don’t have any viruses. Good luck!

  161. Grandma says:

    Oh I need a techie! Our Internet is being weird. We hook into one or two unsecured nearby hookups – because he never hooked his up here in the house – and it’s been fine until after noon today. Now I can only get onto Facebook and this website. Get the landing pages at TB and WA, but cannot go anywhere else. Same with Yahoo and Hotmail….any ideas?

  162. Marmalade says:

    While I agree with the board in general that college students are pathetic at writing, I would just like to say that it is not always true. I am one of them. lol. However, I know that my skills need much improvement as well. I hear and read the writing abilities of my fellow classmates and they are generally horrible. Every now and then I am surprised to hear one that really stands out and has talent. Anytime I hear that, I tell them about Textbroker. lol.

  163. Ira says:

    Summer:

    I agree, the topics have been rather sucky the past couple of days lol

    I still write on the ones that I know I can put out well, but figure I will use these days to push my residual articcle writing out.

    It’s pretty common for this type of thing to slow down during November, when a lot of customers are holding onto their pennies for Black Friday, and companies waiting for that day to begin as well. It’ll pick back up, soon enough.

  164. Summer says:

    Pickings have been slim lately. I used to have a goal of 1k a month, which was quite feasible between July and October. This month, however, I haven’t found that many I’ve been willing to tackle. I’m probably going to slow my pace significantly in the next few months, especially as school gets busier and the holidays approach.

  165. Crystal says:

    I have to agree, Leigh. Bottom line is that having someone else write your term paper is cheating – plain and simple. This lack of character, although it may be “normal” these days in colleges across the nation, doesn’t bode well for the integrity of our future professionals.

  166. Leigh says:

    How does he sleep at night? Graduate students who can’t even write one sentence coherently??? These are the people passing for college graduates and getting jobs??? I’d rather wait for jobs at Textbroker than venture outdoors and risk having to deal with these “college graduates” handle my affairs at a doctor or lawyer’s office, at a bank, or anywhere.

    http://chronicle.com/article/The-Shadow-Scholar/125329/

  167. Marmalade says:

    Hello leigh,

    Yeah I gave it a quick look but I haven’t read through everything. Thanks for the reminder. I think I will give them another look. Glad to see the articles are starting to come back a little bit. I wouldn’t say that we are out of the woods yet, but it is certainly much easier to find articles that I want to write.

  168. Leigh says:

    Marmalade, have you checked out their blog? They put tips on there.

  169. Julie Wein says:

    Zulu,

    The paper was 8 pages long and I took 8 days to write it. That’s because I paced myself and wrote 1 page a day.

  170. Marmalade says:

    Hello all,

    Just wondering if anyone had some quick pointers on easy ways to improve any given article on TB. I have been getting several sent back to me lately for revisions. It is not uncommon for me to get revisions. I probably get asked to do a revision about once every 15 articles or so. Lately however that number has creeped up to about once every 8 or 9 articles. Clearly something is off. Any quick fixes that you would recommend?

  171. zulu says:

    @Julie, could you tell me how long the paper was and how long it took you to write it?

  172. Julie Wein says:

    Zulu,

    I’m one of those people who has written term papers for students. The last one was a paper on the history of RAM and the guy paid me $50 for it. I put an ad on craigslist and that’s how people found me.

  173. zulu says:

    @leigh: I understand your concerns, but I’m unemployed and don’t get any unemployment, so I need money! Plus clients are dragging their feet, and since I’m new I can’t write any more articles until I get those first five approved.

  174. Leigh says:

    Zulu,
    on principle, that is something I personally will never do. I worked hard in college and I expect our future professionals–who I may need to rely on one day–to do the same.

  175. zulu says:

    Anybody here have experience writing term papers for students? I was thinking of getting into that.

  176. zulu says:

    I just finished submitting my first five articles. Here’s hoping I get a five star rating. Hope it doesn’t take very long.

  177. Marmalade says:

    Yeah I am normally writing for the Thanksgiving article guy as well, but I couldn’t get my hands on any of them today. That’s fine though, I will just stick to my financial articles for today. You do have to get at them quickly if you want to get at them at all. haha. 🙂

  178. Ira says:

    Marmalade :

    hehe I have been enjoying it so much, myself. I frantically wrote for a lot of those Thanksgiving dinner posts earlier lol 🙂

  179. Ira says:

    CAndrews:

    From what I have seen, they will do your first ones quickly, since you will not be able to write for them until after your first 5 are evaluated. After that, it takes some time. They do not have a lot of editors, so they have a lot of data to go through hehe

  180. CAndrews says:

    Hi all,

    Thank you so much Felicia for hosting the great discussions all over your site! Your a wealth of information and an even better hostess!

    I’m a newbie at TB and I love it. However, I got my first five ratings very quickly, but nothing since. That was two weeks ago. Is it common for article ratings to take two weeks or more?

    Just wondering–thanks all!

  181. Marmalade says:

    Hello Ira,

    Thanks for your comment. I agree with you, weekends are really rough because most are businesses. I noticed the huge number of three star articles dropped last night, but it was like 2am so I didn’t get started. By the time I logged back on at 9:30, many of them had been wiped out. They were feeding the sharks on textbroker. haha.

    When I first started on TB about seven and a half months ago (wow how the time has pasted lol) I got started really slowly. Then in May of this year I had my best month ever, bringing in just over $1300. This month I decided to push myself very hard and release texts in bulk. I have already defeated my best month record having collected $1400 so far this month.

    I am really aiming at making this a source of regular income for me. It is helpful that I don’t have much else going on. It is a great site for some easy income. However, I agree that the weekends are good times to write for other sites. I explored Constant Content this weekend. Just posted two articles for them, I took Saturday off. However, I was able to manage to scrap together $50 worth of earnings from TB on Sunday. All of that money went back into buying a new coffee pot and other odds and ends. haha 😉

    Anyway I am glad that everyone on here is so willing to share their experiences on the site. There really isn’t a better forum for Textbroker talk.

  182. Ira says:

    Hey there, Marmalade!

    My weekend was nothing to complain about, really, but then again, I am just getting started at TB.

    I think, overall since Friday, I have made about $60, and some clients just put up a whole bunch of 3s, so I have been kicking butt on those all morning.

    Thank goodness for Mondays 😉

    I think, since most of our clients are businesses, the weekends will always be slower, especially if they forget or have nothing to post on Friday. Leaves us a bit dry hehe

    When that happens though, think of it as a good chance to write a few articles for other sites and work on building your residuals 😉

  183. Marmalade says:

    This weekend was even worse than I imagined it would be. I have to admit, I just took Saturday off. I wasn’t feeling all that great anyway. A long night’s sleep helped. I have been lucky enough to pull off about $25 worth today, but the well is almost dry. Thank goodness it is Sunday. I think the clients should come back strong on monday, at least that is my hope.

    How is everyone else doing?
    Are you seeing the same issues that I am?

    Sorry I know I am new to the comment thread, just curious if anyone is seeing the same things that I am.

  184. Ira says:

    Hey there, Zulu… just wanted to say that you should definitely take a look at the comments leading up to the end here. There are quite a number of folks who are making what most would consider to be quite a bit of money (reference Grandma hehe)

    TB IS a great site and wonderful to do work for, once you get your feet wet hehe

  185. Marmalade says:

    Congrats on the casino winnings Grandma! Sounds like a really good day at the slots. Hope the luck translates to the number of articles that are available in Textbroker this weekend. lol.

  186. zulu says:

    I stumbled across this site when I was doing research on Text Broker. I submitted my first article today, but I have to say that the pay is really inadequate. I made like $2.50 on an article of 350 words. I really enjoy writing, but realistically, I think I should have made $10 on the article considering how much work I put into it.

    If you were wondering, my rating is a 4 based on my qualification essay.

    How long does it take to get to a 5, and is the pay that much better?

  187. Grandma says:

    Been working a lot lately and wanted to just go have some fun, so I decided to take a little drive to one of the casinos that is about 65 miles from here. It was senior day and they were packed; I never did eat – line too long, even tho’ their food is tops. But I played for a couple hours and had fun. Won $377 on a $2 bet on a dollar machine…got a double bar and two 3X triple cherries. If I had gotten all three 3X cherries it would have been $5000. Left up about $200 hours later and got a neat wolf tee shirt for $5 after I used the $15 credit I racked up while playing. I don’t even remember the last time I went to this one, at least ten years, but I was still in their computer! You know, even when it is slow, all work and no play is not good for attitude or output…

    Came back and wrote something, but winning a little was very helpful…now I can buy George Bush’s new book Decision Points. He was on Oprah the other day and was very funny. Oh well…girls gotta have a little fun once in a while. It’s good for the imagination and that helps. Just have to watch limits!

  188. Marmalade says:

    Late night post. Not much going on at the site at all. I did not make my quota for today. Fell a bit short. Had some stuff come up. Always hard to do on the day when you have issues with a gf. Anyway, I was able to pull off about $75 with about 45 mins left till midnight (my cutoff for each day). Might try to sneak one more article in there, but there is very little to choose from. Really would like the clients to bail us out. I think this is unlikely considering tomorrow is a friday. The weekend is going to be a very rough one indeed. Fingers crossed for tomorrow, but better odds on monday.

  189. CAndrews says:

    Hi Bonnie,
    I’m new to TB, but have been on Constant Content for a couple of months. It can take a while to get to know the ropes there and even longer to get enough articles up to see consistent sales, but I think it might be a good fit for you. You can write any article that suits your fancy and expertise — as long as the writing quality is good enough, it gets posted for sale at the price you set. Anyway, from what your post says, I think it’s worth your time to check it out.

    p.s. If you decide to try C-C, read through the forums A LOT first.

    Good luck and keep the positive attitude!
    Charlotte

  190. MrsBonnieMoore says:

    Grandma, that thought didn’t escape me, either–when I posted, I stopped just short of adding, “Maybe I just don’t know much about anything.” Thank you for the advice, I’m all over it. In addition to write-write-write, I will also read-read-read. 🙂

    Felicia, thanks again for everything–this site has literally changed my life. I have Demand Media open and will sign up as soon as I finish pestering you. ;D

    Leigh, I nearly fell out of my chair when I read your post, and I nearly imploded when I saw your shop. 😮 I hope I didn’t talk your leg off when I wrote to you! I’m so excited!

  191. April says:

    Hey fellow TBers! This isn’t really a TB post, but I wasn’t sure exactly where else to ask this…In everyone’s experience, what is the best revenue sharing site? I have heard decent things about hubpages and infobarrel. I do have 1 article currently on Associated Content…not exactly sure how that site works…Anyway, would appreciate any input! Thanks!

  192. Marmalade says:

    Lessons learned from yesterday:

    I relearned a valuable Textbroker lesson yesterday. As we were running low on articles I was beginning to get discouraged. I scrapped up what articles I could but before long there was practically nothing for me. This meant that I was worried that I would not be able to make my quota for the day. Before long, I decided that it wasn’t worth my time to sit there and keep checking every few seconds. I just crossed my fingers, turned off the computer, and went in for a nap.

    I was surprised that I slept for about 90 minutes. I woke up not expecting much to have changed. I figured there might be a few more articles. As it turns out, I was happily surprised. There were almost 200 new articles in the open order selections. There were also 2 new messages from clients asking about a small little bit of direct work. All of this helped me to still make it to quota and go just a little over it. I made $103.93 yesterday. Thank you clients for the new uploads.

    Sometimes you just have to sleep off a bad Textbroker market.

  193. Leigh of GoFetchGifts says:

    Bonnie, have you tried offering your artwork on etsy?

    Also, I own a pet lovers gift site and I had a girl who was painting personalized jewelry from photos. She quit when she had a baby. She would paint on small pieces of wood and then seal. Could you do something similar or even framable personalized art from photos? If so I would love to see your work to possibly use on my site. Click on my name 🙂

  194. Grandma says:

    Last night, a client put up over 170 very short articles on category 5, $3 to $6 each. Right now, they are all gone. I think I got about 7 of them without really trying hard. In this pay period, I have written 56 articles so far and already have my monetary goal of about $700 for the entire month covered, and ten more writing days to go, so that makes me satisfied. There was a four day gap when I found nothing of interest to write; that never means there is nothing to write.

    Go ahead and learn something new. Often, when the writer does some research for one article, there will be multiple additional articles that appear and that will be less time intensive to write because you already have learned about that topic.

    I never worry about lack of articles. I remember times when there were zero articles available, and times when there were over 5000 articles available. It always seems to happen that there are enough articles for my needs. Direct orders are really a save at times also. Just when you get worried about nothing much of interest, along comes the direct order client with a stack of work. There are weekly and seasonal highs and lows, and holiday slumps.

    If you have nothing else to do, why not do some research and expand your general knowledge, especially if you can get paid something for it. You never know when that information will be valuable for another project, and you may find you really enjoy learning about that new topic.

    If you claim to be a writer, you should be able to write just about anything. Obtaining the needed knowledge is another matter, and it is required if you must write about a topic that is new to you. IMHO

  195. MrsBonnieMoore says:

    Hi folks! 🙂 I’ve been snooping Ms Felicia’s site, especially this thread, for over a week now, and I treat every word of your advice like gold. I’ve gobbled up everything about Textbroker that I can, and I believe the advice from this thread is the reason I started as a four when I wrote my initial article. I’ve done seven now, and I’m waiting for the previous five to be rated (crossing of fingers).

    I’m not going to unload a two page sob story, so in brief, until the economy fell apart, I was a wildlife artist, and my Oregon Guardsman hubby (just back from Iraq) is having trouble finding work. I have no marketable skills other than art and writing. Life is rough, and I simply have to make this work.

    I have followed Ms Felicia’s advice on planting seeds for residuals while also using Textbroker, and I posted three articles at Bukisa while waiting for my four article hold at TB to lift (I made two cents at Bukisa, woo hoo! It’s a start!) After muddling through some figures, I decided to make my first goal at Bukisa one hundred articles (art related, of course) and I have a list of subjects in a text file on my desktop that I add to whenever I think of another.

    Everything seemed to be moving along according to plan until yesterday, when my TB block lifted. I have pawed through the categories repeatedly, and I find myself a bit discouraged. How often do writers pick topics they know absolutely nothing about? I suppose I’m referring to things like “Electronic Barium Sinus Injectors” or “20 Fun Things to Do in Upper Sandusky”. The large amount of insurance and real estate articles worry me even more. Am I seeing the drought Marmalade referred to, or do we pretty much always write about stuff we have no knowledge of? How often do authors get to write about what they know?

    I will do what I have to do, you can be assured, because, wow, are we broke. If this is the reality of Textbroker, I guess my slow butt is going to have to learn the finer points of quick research!

    • Felicia says:

      Welcome to NJFM, Bonnie.

      Take a look at the NJFM database and a few other posts on here. Also look under the “Opportunities” menu item above. Although you can make money on Bukisa, I think there are other sites where you can earn quicker.

      As much as I have frustration with them, try Demand Media Studios. You can earn both up front and residually from them.

      Grandma is the local Textbroker expert here, but from what I hear, the title opporunities have been a bit slim recently.

      Add a few more writing sites to your arsenal and you’ll be able to earn more quicker.

  196. Summer says:

    There have definitely been fewer articles on the site since August or so, in my experience. I’m still writing, but my output has slowed somewhat. Sadly, even on a slow month, I still make more at TB than I do from my GA.

  197. Marmalade says:

    Good morning fellow Textbrokers

    I officially declare that the Textbroker famine is on. lol. There are even fewer articles this morning than last night. I was hoping that someone might come in a drop a bunch of them. No such luck yet, but it is still early. I assume some of the west coast clients might not even be awake and going yet. I still have hope that maybe we will see some articles fall. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

  198. Leigh Ann says:

    Thanks for the info, everyone. I did realize early on that English is not the first language for some of the TB customers. And, April, I have seen the same thing with the editors zeroing in on something that is an error, but is that way because the customer requested it. This morning, the assignment list looks so lousy, I’d welcome any level 4 article, even if it requested a weird key work combo!!

  199. Marmalade says:

    Just giving an update. I am now at 1,555 total articles completed. This does not mean that I just did 19 today (I reported 1,536 earlier). That was actually a number from when I was already in progress. I would say that I have done 24-25 so far today and I am going to try to crank out a few more before midnight and bedtime 🙂

    Anyway I was able to earn $100 so far today. It is something that you have to put a lot of work into, but it is possible.

    Side note: There is currently what I would discribe as a Textbroker draught underway. Currently there are only 634 articles available total!! This means that I am just hoping that a few clients drop some more in tomorrow, we could really use them!

    Thank you for the helpful conversation on this topic

  200. Grandma says:

    Remember that you can always message the client to ask if that is what they want, the way it is phrased. Same with the TB editors…they will answer your questions. A client can go back in and revise their order. You also have an option to cancel.

  201. April says:

    Leigh Ann: I have also found this to be a problem since TB implemented the new keyword system. For many clients, I believe English is not their 1st language, so they request awkward keyword phrases. In the past, there was no problem with submitting those type of requests with correct phrasing. However, now we cannot do this. I unfortunately find myself passing up a number of articles because of this. I also tend to pass on the ones who want the keyword mentioned an outrageous amount of times in a short article. I would rather pass on making a few dollars than risk being lowered in level by TB.

    I have noticed that they don’t always seem to take client instructions into account when evaluating our work. Don’t get me wrong…I love TB and the editors are great. I am a bit upset however about a recent rating I received from them. They rated my article at a 3 because of 2 “mistakes.” One was a legitimate comma misplacement. However, the other was because I used the term “WOW factor.” They marked me off for using all caps. However, this was how the client had specified using that exact term in the order instructions. I would not be so upset except that I have not received a 3 since my early days and being a level 5, I am afraid it may put me at risk of being lowered back to a 4.

    I do love TB, I just wish that sometimes they would take client orders into consideration more when evaluating our work. Clients don’t always want things in AP style or even “grammatically correct.”

  202. Leigh says:

    Leigh Ann,

    that question comes up a lot. You have to give the client exactly what they ask for even if it doesn’t make sense. They may have done keyword research and that is what they have decided they want.

    That said, different systems handle this differently. On WordGigs for example, you would be able to submit the article with the keyword phrase written one time as the client wanted it written, and the other 3 times you could write it correctly and see if the client objects.

  203. Leigh Ann says:

    I’m curious as to how some of you deal with requested keywords in a manner that does not make sense. For example, I picked up an assignment today that requested the phrase “get rid double chin” be listed 4-5 times. Not “get rid OF double chin”, which would be the more correct way to phrase it. Do you go ahead and write these as requested even though the finished product would not be correct English? I tried to write it using the phrase “get rid of double chin” but the textbroker system would not allow it to be submitted as it did not match the customers requirement. Should I contact the customer for clarification?

    thanks!!!

  204. Marmalade says:

    Hello all,

    I recently discovered this web page and would like to add in my own thoughts about Textbroker.com.

    First off allow me to say that I have not had the time to read all of the comments that have been left on this site, so I am sorry that I may have missed some of the developments that have gone on.

    I tend to disagree with some of you who claim that you can not make a decent amount of money on this site. Many of you sound as though you have quite a bit more writing experience than me and are used to higher payouts. I am comfortable with the amount that I make on this site. I also crank out the articles like no other.

    I have been with Textbroker since March 2010. I have taken it more or less seriously during times, but currently I am very serious on there. Since this month began, I have been bringing in an average of $104 per day! That is something that I am very proud of. Some of this has been though direct orders and some through open orders. I am very interested in attracting more direct orders if possible since these pay better.

    I provide quality content for my clients, but I also provide a lot of it. You can make good money on this site if you don’t get too zoned in on any one article, and instead you write many of them. I have published 1536 articles as of this moment. I will keep you updated on that amount as time goes on.

    If you are willing to dedicate to this site and work hard on it, then you can make some serious money.

  205. Grandma says:

    Angel, Textbroker topics are on everything from automobiles to finances, television, travel and more. Also, go back and read all the posts in this thread. It’s worth the time and you will get a good picture of what other writers have discovered about Textbroker.

  206. Angel says:

    To Felicia, Grandma, and everyone else with experience:

    I have not attempted any sort of freelance writing as yet, but after reading some of Felicia’s posts on Demand Studios and Text Broker, I am very interested in both.

    I do have a few questions though if I may…

    Could you please give me an idea of the topics at both sites?

    I’m guessing that to receive payment we have to provide our real name, but are we allowed to use a pseudonym for the actual work?

    Well, I thought I had some more questions, but I think these are good for now.

    • Felicia says:

      The topics vary. Demand Studios allows a pseudonym while Textbroker articles are ghost written.

      Angel, the best way to find the answer to your questions is to actually visit the sites and sign up.

  207. Grandma says:

    That’s good Kim. I never worry about a few off days at TB…this pay period I went four or five days without writing anything and still turned in just under $600. No all nighters but a couple of steady days and some luck. It is hard mentally when there are those slow times, but it is a good time to just relax and do something else instead.

  208. Kim McLendon says:

    Thank you so much Felicia!!!! I just wanted to drop by the site and tell you that my TextBroker income for the two week pay off was $300.00. I mean sure I pulled a couple of all nighters, but I am used to that so it was no problem. I still worked my now outdoor flea market job, and wrote 22 articles for Suite 101 during the same period of time. Suite says I’ve earned a quarter. LOL I suppose it’s too soon to tell on that, but maybe that will improve it’s really only been up a week. I’ve got two of my articles off line for revision, and deleted one after reading the review and then really looking at it. It just wasn’t up to par and I can do better. The rest though are good I think. I am still tweaking and editing, and trying to add more key words etc.

    Anyway things are going great, and I’m keeping the bills paid. I am very proud of myself and thankful to you for telling me how to do it.

    Thank you so much,

    Kim

    • Felicia says:

      Kim, I LOVE hearing things like that! I’m so glad things are working out. I’m sure your comment is an inspiration to others too (especially to fellow Textbroker writers).

      22 articles in 2 weeks for Suite, I’m impressed. It takes me months to write that many Suite articles 😉
      Stick with it, it will pay off in the long run.

  209. CAndrews says:

    Oops. Poor sentence construction on my part. I heard about textbroker recently. I think I found this thread just by googling “textbroker.” And of course, the site was fine a few minutes after I posted by comment yesterday. Thank you for the welcome, Grandma!

    Happy to get any advice for a newbie “4” about the ins and outs of TB.

  210. Grandma says:

    Welcome! Just curious, where did you hear about this thread?

  211. CAndrews says:

    Hi all! I’m new to texbroker and am so happy to have found this thread after first hearing of it a week or so ago. Thanks to all for the good info. Anyone else having trouble with it today? I can’t get the site to load.

  212. Grandma says:

    So after several blank days, I finally got to write a bunch of legal articles…only now to be very distracted by listening to an old CD of the Moody Blues in concert at Red Rocks. Saw them at Michigan’s Pine Knob once or twice, and at MSU one fabulous time; I will definitely go to Red Rocks if they ever tour there again.

    Oh well, wrote enough to catch up to my quotas….there’s always tomorrow, as Scarlett O’Hara always said….

  213. blackpup says:

    Hello all, first of all welcome Annie, glad you are doing well on the site. I love Paypal. One time someone hacked into my Paypal account and stole my money. Paypal was right on top of things. First they sent me an email stating suspicious activity was going on. So, I called them and told them my money was stolen. Within two day, they had my money back. I love Paypal. I love their debit card.

    I only thing about TB is I wish they would give me more feedback. I keep jumping back and forth between a 3 and a 4, but because I hardly get any feedback on my level 3 articles, I don’t know how to improve.

  214. Grandma says:

    Melissa, that is an unfortunate happening, because you did have a positive personal experience to share that might have helped someone else.

    If I cannot agree with a particular emphasis wanted in an article, I do not sign up for it. You, of course, did not have a clue about the client’s preference until it was too late. Larkspur is correct in saying that if a writer does not like what a client wants with regard to a rewrite, just drop or cancel the project. That option does not help eliminate any disappointment, however, or hurt feelings.

    Chalk it up to experience. Perhaps there is somewhere else where you might be able to share your good fortune and help others on this topic.

    Go into the client notes and make one for yourself about what happened, or blacklist them if you do not want to caught by this problem in the future from that client.

  215. Melissa says:

    Let me add that I am unsure as of why this happened but I am very grateful. I received a message just now in my TB box apologizing for the revision statements. It also stated the information that was given to me was extremely broad so the misunderstanding wasnt all my fault. I was asked to resubmit my original article.

    I feel better now….I was beginning to believe that I was completely in the wrong here.

  216. Melissa says:

    I completely understand that and I always try to give the clients exactly what they have asked for. But if I am told to “describe a completely natural infertility cure in 300 words” and that is what I do, then I feel it is unfair to put down my work so negatively. A cure is something that corrects a problem and to be honest, folic acid and timing intercourse is rarely ever the problem with infertility. Being infertile means you have did those same exact things and still were unsuccessful. As a member of the infertility online world for nine years, the supplement I suggested is considered number one with a 97% percent success rate out of thousands and thousands of consumers. It has scientific backing as well and includes folic acid. And it is just that: an all natural infertility cure. But I still wanted to please the client and revise the article even if I felt I had completed it in the way they described because that is what this job entails.

    I fully intended to do a full rewrite by using the provided article (which I did not receive until after being asked for a revision) as my example of what the client needed. I do not mind criticism and use it as a challenge to improve. But when I read the article (and the other 17 on the page) they all said the same thing about folic acid and timing intercourse. Each paragraph ended with ‘click here’ for our free all natural infertility cure. I was not given any more information as to what the client wanted than what I included in quotation marks above except to include those keywords a certain amount of times. So how was I to know the client sponsored their own cure that they wanted to promote? How was I to know that they just wanted generalized fertility information to lead into their fertility cure? I messaged the client asking for more specific details about what they wanted for my revision. All I received was terrible review of my article calling my work an unacceptable promotion for the ‘trendy’ vitamin supplement among several other things including a blatant advertisement. I did not in anyway offer links or purchasing advice. Instead I told about the supplement and success rate, explained each nutrient and what it contributed to then I listed ways to incorporate those same nutrients into the diet without purchasing the actual supplement.
    Once again, I know I am to make the client happy by providing exactly what they ask for. My point in this whole ramble is that I felt ridiculed and put down by someone who gave me limited information and I did exactly what they asked. Had I not been so offended by the lengthy stream of insults to my article, I would have revised it to what the client wanted.

    And after receiving the negative feedback I did not revise and let the assignment go. I am sorry if I appear like such a baby…I’ve been an online writer since around 2001. And never have I been so insulted. Criticism doesn’t entail rudeness and insults.

  217. larkspur says:

    I agree with Leigh’s statement:
    Unfortunately, we are paid to present what the client wants, me aren’t paid to have our own opinion on the topic 🙂

    I do see your point, though. You always have the option of not writing or declining to revise an article, so if you feel that strongly, simply do not rewrite it. That is what I would do.

  218. Leigh says:

    Unfortunately, we are paid to present what the client wants, me aren’t paid to have our own opinion on the topic 🙂

    I understand your frustration. I can also see the client’s point of view. Herbal remedies aren’t as main stream, and folic acid probably has medical research behind it. Regardless of that though, I’ve had to write on products I don’t completely support either. You just swallow your pride and do it (if you can).

  219. Melissa says:

    I would also like to add I am happy with Textbroker, my frustration is not with the site but with this particular client. Sorry!

  220. Melissa says:

    Just wanted to start out by saying I am an avid follower of your blog as well as a Suite101 writer. I love it! I wanted to add a comment about Textbroker because up until today I have been extremely happy with the site and the clients I work.

    I have suffered from infertility for years. When I saw several articles looking for a natural infertility cure I jumped at the chance to write a few informative articles on a natural herbal supplement that i desperately used when all medical intervention failed. With this herbal remedy I now have three beautiful daughters.

    I wrote my first article and submitted it. I was actually excited to share something I can first hand say it works! Today I received a revision request which called my work a blatant promotion and advertisement for this supplement. I was linked to a ‘very well written article’ more suited to their request. Since I am always ready for improvement and would like to write to please the client, I checked it out. To say I was appalled by the article wouldn’t suffice. The article was about 150 words covering things like timing ovulation and folic acid. Any woman who has suffered from infertility is well versed in all things conception and have normally tried everything including medical treatments. To claim to have a ‘cure’ for infertility and have it to be nothing but timing ovulation is to insult infertile couples who are desperate to have a baby.

    I felt it was a ploy and not something I could write about and feel comfortable with my contribution. Was I wrong? Am I taking my work to literal? My ego is bruised because I try to remain objective and only write on subjects I know I can add something new to. Not always the best way to make money but a way to keep piece of mind.

  221. littlegreenchicken says:

    Hello everybody, I’ve been skimming this blog for about an hour now…I cannot believe I didn’t see it before! I have been writing for TB for a few weeks and have 28 level 4 articles (that’s all of them btw). Anybody have any suggestions about moving up to a level 5? I did email them to consider it but never heard back.

    Great blog!

  222. Grandma says:

    Hi Annie…glad to hear of your TB success. Yes, it is important to get while the getting is good with regard to articles. Even when there are days in a row with nothing I choose to write, I never worry about making my quota. Something always pops up! I have had well over two years of work at TB now, and I am still happy with them.

    Not sure why you dislike PayPal. I have been using them for years with complete satisfaction. I finally got their debit card a few months ago, and that I would highly recommend. You can pull out your cash immediately from any ATM, or use the card like a credit card or checking account, except that it is a debit card. Occasionally I get a call from their security department, so I know they are watching my store.

    The worst things about Paypal, eBay and other monetary sites are the phishing scam emails that I receive. I NEVER, EVER answer any of those. They are usually obviously a scam, and I ALWAYS report those scams to the website – PayPal or eBay as a spoof email. Those real websites will NEVER ask you to link anywhere in an email. Also, they will always use your right name. Scams have mistakes, bad spelling, etc., which are clues to the scamming. Any time there is a question about such emails, the solution is to go to the actual website to double check. After reporting the scam, delete the emails.

  223. Annie says:

    I stumbled upon Textbroker recently and submitted my sample writing to be graded. It was given a score of four, which I was pretty impressed with. I was told I had natural writing talent in college, but years later as a stay at home mom, it hadn’t really crossed my mind that I could make money at it. My husband and I have some extra bills to pay off, and I am very happy to report that I’ve made nearly $200 in my first week. I usually write level 3 articles with a occasional level 4 in there somewhere. The pay is reasonable since I am a fast writer and quick to develop my article. I never work on Textbroker for more than two hours a day, seven days a week. My average is 5 articles a day with a daily earnings of $25 to $30. This is something I certainly plan to continue for the forseeable future. Making a decent amount of money while staying home with my little one is pretty awesome in this economy. It’s not for everyone, but I really like it. My only wish is that they paid via another means than just Paypal, as I have a great hatred for them. I’ll have to take my chances for now. As far as available work at any given time, all I can advise is to stick around and see how the amount of articles available changes. It can go from nothing to lots of interesting articles in a matter of days, so keep an eye out regularly. Also, if you see an article that you want to write and the pay is good but you can only get around to completing it the next morning, grab it while you can! The best ones go the fastest. You can always save your work as you go. I once scooped up an article that was easy as pie and paid $11.00
    I completed it the following morning as I was out of time for the night, and it only took me 20 minutes to write it. If I had waited until the next morning to accept it, it would have been long gone!

  224. Summer says:

    It is frustrating, Katie. The 4-5 decision seems far more political than the 3-4 decision. I get the feeling that you only get upgraded when they feel they need more writers to tackle a surplus of 5 articles, rather than because they feel writers have suddenly become significantly better writers. Oh well. The only articles I take are 4s, so I’m resigned to the idea of staying there as long as I’m on the site.

  225. Katie says:

    I think it’s funny that TB editors have given the EXACT same message to many of us devoted, 4-star writers who have asked to be bumped up to 5-star status…”we have mixed feelings about you.” It’s seriously annoying that they instill a false sense of security that with hard work and determination, you’ll reach 5-star status. The worst part – there’s never any 5-star articles anyway! I just checked the other day and out of 1600 articles, only 1 was a level 5. So don’t get too focused on being bumped up, chances are you’ll still be writing mostly level 2 articles anyway.

  226. blackpup says:

    I just wrote my longest article yet. It was a 700 word article on gardening. Since I garden it was an easy write, no research, and made over $9 from an easy article. Wish they were all like that.

  227. Summer says:

    Hi Renee–thank you! Yes, it’s possible, but it is certainly difficult, and the hardest thing for me too is staying focused. I think most people find that a challenge with this kind of work. I set myself daily goals (36 dollars a day translates to 250 a week which translates to 1k a month), but it’s hard to just stop when I reach them if there are still “easy” articles available, which often means I spend a lot of time writing until I’m sick of it but feel I should keep going because it’s a bountiful period. It’s hard to find that balance sometimes. Keep going everyone. Hopefully increases in competition from other sites will inspire TB to raise their default pricing schemes.

  228. Cynthia says:

    Hi Guys & Gals,just wanted to check in with everyone. It’s been awhile, but I’ve been trying to keep up with you all. I’ve kind of gotten away from TB lately – mainly down to just doing DO work for them.

    I’ve been writing mainly for Break Studios, but I’m not to crazy about their pay schedule (I’m referring to the 4 business day cut-off period). Plus, on the “best of” arts they state you do not need to list sources/references, as they are “opinion peices,” yet most of the time they ask me to revise it and add sources. Kind of hard when you are writing on “How to make your own penis pump.” Not too many .org/gov sites will lend itself to these kinds of arts lol…but, their editors are super nice and the arts are too easy to shoot out.

    Anyhoo, I am glad for the heads up for Writeraccess. I’m applying right now, but I am stumped as to where I put my resume. I’m in the beginning of the application where you put “Provide a summary, next question is on type ofcomposition,” etc. Also, what is the composition? Feeling kinda stoooopid right now. Any help for me?

    Thanks in advance lovely folks.

    • Felicia says:

      Cynthia keep going. The resume is on the last page of the application. As far as type of composition they want to know what you like to write about and the style. I did a post on them today that might help.

  229. Crystal says:

    FYI to those awaiting 5 status – With the exception of 2 of my initial 5 articles, everything (240+) I wrote for TB was rated at 4. I requested an increase to 5 after my first few dozen articles and was told that the TB editors had mixed feelings about my writing style. As the increase appears to be decided by committee, some people may never achieve 5 status.

    Sorry if this sounds negative – it’s not meant to be. I think TB is great and will be forever grateful for the paid opportunity to hone my writing skill. But realistically, level 4 may be as high as some (i.e. me) can ever expect to go. Although I’ve now moved on to more lucrative writing opportunities, TB will always be my first love.

  230. Laura says:

    I am also curious as to just how long the process of moving from a 4 to a 5 will take. I have written over 200 articles since February, with only a handful of 3 star ratings (just in the beginning), and all of the rest being 4 stars. I have requested them to consider bumping me up twice, although the editors said they never saw my first request. My latest request was around a month ago, and even though they said it would take time, all of my recent articles have been rated so I’m wondering how much longer it will take. They rarely leave me any feedback or comments, so I’m assuming I’m doing okay and I don’t really know what more to do in order to get bumped up to a 5. I guess I just have to keep writing and waiting. The problem is that I’m seriously lacking motivation, and I think a bump up to a 5 is just what I need to get me going again. I just really hope it happens before the next big order of 5-star articles comes along!

  231. Renee says:

    Wow, Summer!!! You make a $1,000 a month on just open orders? That is sheer determination. I’m not even close to that. I am having the hardest time staying focus. If I can break that awful habit, then I will really start getting somewhere. I need to come up with some sort of time system. I think that will help me a lot. Since I see that $1,000 a month is possible, I am going to let that be my new goal. The only other site I am writing with is Constant Content (Suite 101 denied my application *sad face* so I should be able to do this.

  232. Summer says:

    It seems the process for promotion can take some time. I’ve written about 500 articles since joining TB and was ranked as a 4 from the start, and am still a 4. I make about $1000 a month exclusively from open orders (I’ve only written a handful of DOs) and I’ve contacted the folks at TB and heard they would be reviewing my work, but nothing has come from it. So it’s definitely possible to make 1k a month at level 4 strictly from DOs, but it isn’t easy.

  233. Grandma says:

    Blackpup, if you can write at that level consistently, you will no doubt be promoted to level 5 and when some of those are worked into the monthly amounts, getting to $1000 can be made easily. I have been doing $700 to $900 a month consistently for two years, and some months way more, a few way less. Part time. The good “5” month when I did devote more time, I earned a whopping $3400 apx. (One month)

  234. Grandma says:

    Hi Julie – the default direct order price Textbroker sets is 1.5 cents per word. You can go into your dashboard under Account, then hit the tab for Public Profile…and then you will see the current listing for your direct order rate. There is a red “change” link that you can go into to raise that rate to whatever you want it to be. Some writers set it high, others not. The client will pay more than whatever rate you set because TB adds a 30% commission for themselves onto it. This is all detailed under the general “Clients” and then “Price list” tabs on the landing page.

  235. Crystal says:

    @blackpup – If I’ve done the math right, $1,000/month requires writing over 70,000 words at level 4, which averages to nearly 2,400 words a day in a 30 day month. Or 6 articles of about 400 words each. Kudos to those able to produce at that level – I’m not one of them:(

  236. Saurus says:

    @blackpup — I work Textbroker part time and I made $1,000 in two weeks once. I don’t think this is a feat I will repeat again anytime soon; I’ve been primarily working on Demand (despite all of the rage they cause me to have with nonsensical editors) and have strictly worked with DirectOrders on TB. But it’s definitely possible, yes.

    Most in a single day for me is $300, but to be fair, that was a single DirectOrder that took a week to complete!

  237. Julie Wein says:

    I applied to Textbroker today and just got an email telling me I was accepted. I got a 4-star rating, so I’m pretty happy about that. However, I do have a question for those of you already writing for Textbroker. What does the direct order price mean?

  238. blackpup says:

    Just curious, how much is the most anyone has made in a day as a level 4. Is it possible to make $1000 in a month as a level 4 doing this part-time?

  239. blackpup says:

    Everyone surely is an inspiration on this site. I started as a 3, then I got bumped to a 4, then bumped down to a 3, then back to a 4, now I stayed a 4.

    I started at getting a few 4 rated articles, then the next review I got a few more, next review, even more, next review about half 3’s and half 4’s, this last review I got more 4’s than 3’s for the first time. It is a slow journey for me, but I am getting better.

  240. Grandma says:

    Love the “not” circle logo. Wish it had “for Mom” right under it. I did something similar on CafePress once upon a time. Didn’t sell anything however.

  241. Grandma says:

    Aw shucks Mandy…now I almost have a tear in my eye! You will do it…no problem for sure! Only other creative people can understand the problems encountered by creative people because they have lived it. Ebbs and flows is exactly the right concept. And you do have to watch out for burn out. I always seem to write something, then take a break…on and on, not unlike my study habits in college…LOL. Variety is helpful too…woman/man does not live on bread alone.

    Hey Felicia….how about some “No Job For Mom” tee shirts?

    • Felicia says:

      Hmmm, tee shirts…do you mean like these?

      It’s something I toyed with but didn’t get very far with it. I used my iNJFM t-shirt when I did a 5K this summer (don’t get too impressed, I walked the 5K). 🙂

  242. Mandy says:

    Thanks for the encouragement, Grandma. I have definitely learned to write and research more quickly. Up until about four months ago, writing online was more of a hobby since I had another source of income. Then, I spent the next three months caring for my dad. So, really, I have only been writing “full-time” (with kids that means part-time hours!) for about a month or so. Yet, mentally, I feel like I’ve been at it longer, hence, I am impatient with my progress. At the beginning of the month, I can make all of my Textbroker goals. Then, I start to burnout. So, either time itself alleviates the burnout as I become accustomed to the hours and effort, or, I spice it up a little with a variety of writing sites simply because my personality demands more diversity. The answer will be a mix of these two strategies. My productivity and stamina certainly increase with each passing month. Also, I’m the type of person who can’t stand listening to the i-pod because the same 500 songs bore me, so variety is just a way to accommodate my strengths. I think that Felicia has said in one of her other posts that creativity does not respond to sheer willpower – or something like that, sorry if I misquote – hence, writing as a career requires that you know your own ebbs and flows. I am certainly finding that to be the case.

    Yet, I’ve been bitten by the writing bug and there is no turning back now! Thank you, Grandma, Felicia and everyone for your encouragement and advice. It’s great to have a place to bounce ideas around and find motivation.

    • Felicia says:

      Mandy, what a timely comment. I think my ebb or flow has either ebbed or flown. 🙂

      The past week or so I’ve been having a tough time writing so I’ve been doing other things. I’m so thankful for residual income.

      I know its temporary and I will welcome my muse when it returns, but in the meanwhile, I think its time for me to work on a project that requires a bit more physical labor (my daughter started taking the wall paper down in her room to give me a hint on what my next project should be). Maybe once I’m sick of wall paper my muse will find its way back. 🙂

  243. Grandma says:

    Just like everything else, or most other things Mandy, you get better with practice and experience. Never, ever give up…didn’t Churchill say that in WWII?

    Did you read Felicia’s ebook on motivation? I am thinking that staying motivated, excited and enthusiastic about writing is a key and the hardest thing to stayed focused upon.

    You will struggle, but later on as you look back, you will see that trying and continuing to try has paid off. I have written over 2760 articles now for Textbroker since Aug 2008. Never in my wildest dreams back then would I have imagined doing that by now! I will hit 3000 soon, and that just makes me smile a great big smile when I think of it. I know it will happen; it’s just a matter of how soon. Hang in there, and do investigate other options in your free time. Look how well Felicia is doing with her residual income. I told someone about that and how much she is aiming to get, and he about fell out of his chair! LOL $10,000 a month is an awesome goal!

  244. Mandy says:

    Great job, Grandma! Keep posting your accomplishments to keep the rest of us motivated.

    I am still struggling to write quickly enough to make Textbroker truly take the place of a part-time job, now that I am writing exclusively. To avoid the burnout, I have branched out into a couple other sites. But, I am still confident that Textbroker can pay off for the rest of us as it does for you. Of course, those 5-star orders are always helpful.

    On the bright side, I am writing more quickly than ever before, with better focus, and devoting more time. My productivity and earnings improve each month.

  245. Grandma says:

    Even after two years writing for them, I am even more happy that Textbroker is available to writers. It always seems that they come through in a pinch…just made my goal for this pay period already. I can’t wait until someday soon I get into my own digs. Working on someone else’s computer for all this time is okay but totally not the same as getting onto my own equipment. At least now, since I moved away from the kids, I have all this time to myself, for me. Still getting used to that! It is great!

  246. Renee says:

    Thanks Mandy. Christina responded to me via email rather quickly. She said that she marked my account to be reviewed for level 5 status. Also, that every member of their editorial team will look at my articles, so a response from them could take a while. We shall see how it goes. (Crosses fingers and sends up a prayer)

  247. Mandy says:

    Good luck, Renee! Sounds like you’ve had plenty of well-rated articles.

  248. Renee says:

    I’ve written 38 articles for TB and all were rated a 4 except one, and the one 3 was like my fifth article. So I contacted them today to be considered as a level 5 writer. I hope I get approved. There hasn’t been any level 5 articles lately, but it would be great to be able to write for one when it becomes available.

  249. Amber S. says:

    Hi, everyone. 🙂

    I came to this very late, but I’ve skimmed through most of the posts. I only registered for Textbroker yesterday and was ranked at a level 4. I’ve already submitted two articles (one a level 3, the other a level 4 for a grand total of $9.91 if they get accepted), and they’re relatively easy.

    For those of you who are interested in writing for a living, you might also consider browsing through oDesk.com. I joined them recently, as well, and have two steady jobs at the moment (one as a creative writer for script dialogues for a browser-based video game and one as an article writer and rewriter for an internet company). I can pull in anywhere from $900-1400 from these two jobs alone (and that’s working approximately 20-25 hours a week). You end up competing with an international market and, with some people bidding as little as 50 cents an article, you really have to pick and choose, but it’s another nice place to consider.

    The one thing I like a lot about TB is that once you pick an article, you don’t have to compete with others to bid on the thing. Just write it and earn the amount listed. Simple. And, for the most part, it takes 5-10 minutes.

    One question, though: how many level 4 articles do you have to write to get to level 5? For all intents and purposes, I am a professional writer (as in, I’ve been making a living with my writing, editing and proofreading services for almost a decade now). Is it as simple as having them rate my first 5 articles and letting them know my background? I’m doing TB more for fun than anything, but I’m curious just the same.

    Cheers,
    Amber

  250. Mandy says:

    Cyndy, pretty much any online writing site will want informative, well-researched writing. Don’t be intimidated just because you are not knowledgeable. Pick a topic and research. Pick the topic over and over again and eventually you will find that you need to research less. The more you research you will find that you are more efficient, regardless of your familiarity with the topic. You may find that expanding your knowledge out of your comfort zone is enjoyable. At any rate, you can always capitalize on your previous research for textbroker to write articles for other sites. I make document files with notes and links to webpages from which I took the information. Just a quick glance at these notes is enough to spin a unique article. Hope that helps!

  251. Cyndy says:

    I want to write for profit, but I’m not an expert in any of these areas I see in eHow & similar sites. What I write is like an opinion page, with ideas & suggestions & what I think about various events & happenings.

    Is there a place for me on one of these sites?

    I’d really appreciate your help.

    Cyndy

  252. Grandma says:

    Peggy…head on over to my website http://www.textarticlesale.com and send me a contact form and I will email you so we can talk privately if you want.

  253. Jeri says:

    So, around Christmas does TB really has a big reduction in titles?

  254. peggy says:

    Ok, Grandma, we gotta talk some more — we have a ton in common.

  255. Grandma says:

    Sorry Bill – check their German website.

    Peggy – LOL, I do as LITTLE work as possible! Seriously, right now I am in the midst of a MAJOR life change! Finally cutting loose the kids about 8 years too late…moving on and back into my own life. I have much to catch up on to start over at my age. Need income at same time however. I just do not expect much from TB until after Labor Day. Holidays are a pain in this sense for writing.

  256. bill says:

    got all excited, clicked the link to textbrokers…Only for united states =(

  257. Peggy Wheeler says:

    Oh, Grandma, I’m SO glad to hear that you do not keep up this intense writing schedule every day. I had this image of this woman painfully crouched over a keyboard furiously pounding the keys for 19 hours a day. I’m laughing now. However, you still put in an admirable effort and “get” that you have to be both dedicated and focused to write many articles in a day. Effort = Results Your efforts are stellar, therefore your results are stellar. That’s what is important for freelance writers (or anyone) to understand. And, that was the point I was hoping to make.

  258. Grandma says:

    Peggy, I do not write that intensely all the time…only when there are a bunch of level 5 articles I want to do! LOL

  259. Grandma says:

    Bear in mind that total of articles was built up over a two year period, girls and guys! Now I just moved away from many of those responsibilities and will have even more free time to work on articles….but the past three or four days there have not been any that I wanted to do. Just picked up one because I need it. It’s the end of summer, end of August, Labor Day time and I really do not expect much, so I have started working on two more ebooks. I really do not like the holiday times because they seem to be very slow.

    I do not write for other websites except my own textarticlesale.com website. I need to spend some time getting some traffic there now, so this slow time is useful if not profitable. Somewhere I also have a half written romance novel hiding out, about a gal who (like me) worked at radio stations; it needs completion. And, with Felicia’s enthusiam about residual income, I want to study up and move in that direction also. Plus I have my other money making effort, selling sunglasses on eBay!

    I like to help others. I feel as we get older, it is time to pay back and share knowledge we have accumulated over a lifetime.

  260. blackpup says:

    Hi Jeri and welcome to TextBrokers. I am not a seasoned writer as the others. I have only been writing a couple of months. I also came into TB as a level 3. As of right now, I am a level 4. However, I have now been a level 4 three times. I keep bouncing back and forth. I’m hoping I can stay at a level 4 now.

    I find the more articles I write and the more feedback I get, the better my writing becomes. I still get quite a few articles at 3 stars, but I am also getting more and more 4 star articles. I do have a full time job with over time a lot of the time, so I do not have to much time to write. I do find writing a learning experience though. I have done so much research in which I have learned a lot.

    I have now written over 100 articles.

  261. Peggy Wheeler says:

    Jeri, I came in at Level 4 just recently. I’ll let you know how quickly I’m bumped to Level 5. From what I can tell, there are more than a few Level 5 writers, but you are right….often times there are very few Level 5 assignments offered. I also write for Demand Studios. We can choose $15 articles, enough to keep a good writer busy most of the day, so DS pays better than TB. But, in my opinion, DS is also more difficult to write for. I’m also considering Suite 101.

  262. Peggy Wheeler says:

    We all do love Grandma, and appreciate her willingness to share advice. She’s an angel for helping and encouraging others.

    Keep in mind, though, by her own admission, she gets up very early, writes all day (giving herself 4 or 5 hours break to take care of other responsibilities) then gets back to it and writes until 1 or 2 a.m. every day. While I admire that kind of drive, personally my life is so full, and I have so many other more pressing priorities, I wouldn’t be interested in that kind of production-writing schedule. Plus, I’d be bored out of my skull. Still, 2700 articles is an exceptional accomplishment worthy of grand applause. Yay, Grandma!

  263. Jeri says:

    Wow! I am equally impressed with Grandma. You are a writing machine! I would like to also crank out articles in that multitude. What are some other websites that you suggest to write for? Also, for those who were at a level “3” in writing for TB, how many articles did you have to write for them until they bumped you up to a “4” or a “5”? I see that they hardly have any “5” articles. I guess that’s for the accomplished few writers that have earned that coveted status.

  264. Renee says:

    2700 TB articles?? Grandma… you know what? I have nothing more to say than that. Wow!!! *opens up Word doc again and continues article*

  265. Grandma says:

    Jeri, I have written well over 2700 TB articles and only had one client rejection, and that was overturned by TB so I got paid for it. Pick your articles carefully and be sure to check the client rejection rate before you take it on. If they have much higher than 0.01%, watch out…especially if they are at 5% rejection rate or higher.

  266. Crystal says:

    Congratulations, Jeri – TB is where I started and I will be forever grateful for the opportunity to be paid while honing my skills. I’ve moved on from TB (at least for now) but in the 11 months I wrote there, I submitted nearly 250 articles with no rejections. I did receive a few minor revision requests but all in all it was a smooth experience. Just follow the client instructions and if they’re unclear or too stringent, pass on the article and choose another. Be very careful about spelling, grammar and punctuation and you will do fine.

  267. Jeri says:

    I just got accepted by TB at level 3. I read from previous posts that some articles are not accepted by TB. What has been your experience with the ratio of acceptances/rejections of your articles?

  268. Peggy Wheeler says:

    Once again, Grandma impresses me with her desire to encourage us newbies. And, Blackpup, Grandma is right on about being patient with yourself and not worrying too much over your hourly earnings. The more articles you write, the faster you become. I’m simply considering my current pay as “intern pay” while I’m honing my skills.

  269. Grandma says:

    Blackpup, keep the faith, you can do this! Look, take as much time as needed to get the article right. I just did some level 4 stuff that at first took about two hours just to do the first one. The second was a lot faster and the third and fourth ones on the same topic came off in about fifteen minutes. So I ended up making about $28 in about three and a half hours. Not a fabulous rate, true, but still…the $28 will be welcomed and I have nothing else pressing to do right now. And it cost me nothing to go to work.

    Do not be concerned about the hourly rate at this time, because you are still new and learning. It is probably more important for you to take the extra time to get the articles perfect so you have a chance to be bumped up to level 5 where you will find the hourly rate far more attractive.

    It is great that you have the attention (positive attention) of an editor. Keep wearing that big smile!

  270. blackpup says:

    I’m on a roller coaster, up and down, 3 to 4 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 4. The last two articles I wrote I wrote one sort of fast, but the last one I did at a level 3 took me over an hour. I was very careful writing it. Proofread it over and over again. It was only 400 words, but it was about the Secret Service, so I have to do research and I wanted it to be perfect. It paid off, because I only made one error and that was a comma splice. The last 2 articles were both rated a 4, thus back to a 4.

    I received a very nice comment from Melissa the editor. [Super excellent work Jean! I can tell you tried really hard on these!] was what she stated on my feedback. I was smiling ear to ear.

  271. Grandma says:

    Hi Peggy –
    I have been talking about priorities with another friend quite a bit. You are right, priorities are different for everyone. I also know that they change as we age. My priorities today, at my age and with family all grown, are totally different than they were a few decades ago.

  272. Peggy Wheeler says:

    I’ve been away for a few days. I just read Grandma’s response to my question, and all the other great comments. First of all, Grandma you inspire me. I think there are a number keys to writing 10 to 20 articles per day besides simply being a good writer. Here they are!

    1) gotta be fast (as a writer and a typist) Whew, Grandma! In all my years of writing, I’ve known anyone who typed faster than I do. 120 words a minute is almost up there with some of the fastest typists in the world, really,

    2) be willing to work until 1 or 2 in the a.m., starting darn early in the a.m. and fitting in your “daily life” between writing session. Well, can’t do that. I have a full life that includes many prioirities. Besides, I write for three different organizations, including my own books–1 completed, 2 in process–my agent is pitching all three, so I’ll be writing maybe 2-3 hours a day for TB. Therefore, I’ll not be getting out 16 or 20 TB articles a day just for that reason alone! Besides that, with my personality type, I’d go crazy from boredom if all I did from early a.m. until 1 or 2 a.m. was crank out TB articles fitting in my family and other priorities somehow “in between.” Not for me.

    3) be a “production writer.” I was technical writer for many moons, and a creative writer for many moons longer. Neither kinds of writing are done well just crankin’ out text “production style.” I’m having to learn to write in a different way to BECOME a “production writer”, and finally…

    4) have a great mentor. Got that base covered because everyone on this forum are great mentors. Thanks so much.

    Grandma, and everyone else, I’m grateful.

  273. Grandma says:

    Blackpup, you keep on keeping on like you are doing and you will be fine. When I was given the “5” privilege, I did not ask; they just did it. But that was almost two years ago.

    Renee, it will be exciting, but then you will discover the frustration of waiting for “5” level articles to appear on the list!

    I am sure TB is doing all they can to get more “5”s for us. They make more money then also!

  274. blackpup says:

    Grandma, I didn’t mean I was going to ask to be raised to a level 5, I was just curious. I am no where near ready to be bumped to a 5. I still am making errors. At least my last 3 articles that were rated had no comma errors. LOL.

  275. Renee says:

    Thanks Grandma for the advice. I didn’t know that’s how it worked. I have now written 7 articles and am in the process of writing the 8th one. I really hope I get approved for level 5. I will most certainly faint from due to extreme excitement, lol.

  276. April says:

    Blackpup, Congrats! Keep up the level 4s and after 10 in a row ask about being raised to a 5 star. Sometimes TB can be a bit slow about this. I had 200 completed articles, all but 2 at 4s, before they raised me. However, at the time they didn’t really need any more level 5 authors so that was understandable I guess. It appears that they have bumped up 68 new authors just since I was approved in early April. Before that, they rarely ever added a new 5. They apparently have reason to believe they will be needing more level 5 authors. I hope that means this client (and hopefully others) will be permanent! Yes, you learn alot through research. After awhile, you will be able to pick up other articles about topics you have already researched and write them quickly. This is where saving all of your work comes in handy. I am currently grabbing a few that are showing up at level 5 on life insurance that I can write rather quickly because I researched and wrote a number of life insurance articles about a year ago at a 4. Keep up the good work!

  277. Grandma says:

    Blackpup, I am not sure, but you could always email the editors to ask. It is my impression that you would need 10 in a row, or a whole long string of 4 ratings, since they want excellent work. I doubt they would approve a new writer quickly for a category 5; they would or should want to see some consistency in output and a variety of articles. Just my opinion; I do not work for them – as some people believe. I’m just another freelancer.

  278. blackpup says:

    Grandma, is that 10 level 4 articles in a row or 10 altogether. Thanks.

  279. blackpup says:

    I’m back to a 4. Yay!!

    I tell you, I have done so much research writing articles, I now know what it takes to become an FBI agent, working in forensics, all about TSA, all about Pampas cats (they are so cute), etc, etc, etc.

  280. Grandma says:

    Renee, as soon as your 5 are approved and you can again sign up for more articles, do it. Once you have completed 10 articles that TB rates at a 4, you can email them to ask about a bump up to a 5 level status. They all need to be great articles, however. Good job so far!

  281. Renee says:

    This blog and grandma really helped me to take the Textbroker plunge. I’m a level 4 writer (don’t know what it takes to be level a 5) but so far I am having a great experience with TB. I just finished 5 articles, and am waiting for a review I suppose. I just got an email that they rated 2 of more articles a 4, and a comment from the editor saying “good job.” That made me smile. I’m a little confused about whether I can keep writing or not. Anywhoo, thanks for the great info on TB everyone, it’s been really helpful.

  282. Grandma says:

    Oh no, just 24 so far, 1 was on money and 2 on jewelry, all the rest were the crafts. When I first saw them the other morning, there were over 330 craft articles, so there must be plenty of other “5” writers out there besides me. The craft articles were a lot easier than the money ones. The craft client is a very nice client, with fast approvals and great ratings/comments.

  283. April says:

    Congrats blackpup! Getting your first DO is exciting…and means you are on your way!

    Grandma, did you tackle all those arts and crafts orders? I noticed last night (or this morning rather) that there were 7 left…still 7 at 7AM…and now none…made me wonder if you were the only one doing them! I have been doing some of the jewelry orders, though no where near the amount you have been tackling! I have a few other things to work on…so can only get in a few a day for now. Hopefully this client will keep posting orders for awhile like before. I think once it got down to about 500 or so, more would show up…hope so! Happy writing all!

  284. blackpup says:

    I have only been writing for a few months, ever since I joined TB. It is all a new experience for me. Luckily I am a fast typist. At this time, I am a level 3 writer, although I do get a few 4 rated articles. Anyway, I can’t believe it, but I just received my first DO from a client I wrote an article for. In fact, the client gave me 2 DOs to do. I am so shocked. Me, with only a few months writing experience. Unfortunately it is for a topic I never heard of before. It is a travel article for a place I have never heard of. There is no way I’m turning down these DOs though. I will just have to research.

  285. Grandma says:

    Well Mandy, and Peggy…I just checked my statistics…I only did 16 on that day, counting from 6am on the 19th to 2am on the 20th. Today, the 20th, I finished 5 and have one in the pipeline. Mandy, I did slow a bit today, and the next groups will require more time due to lack of knowledge on the subject. But, I never give up. I know that I will be traveling all day on Wed/Thur on another 1000 mile trip north, and moving, so I expect to have a weak week. I need to stock up income prior to those days to make up for that time. The always unknown factor also, are my direct order clients. They have been vacationing mostly this month and I expect them to return shortly. Regarding orders, it’s every writer for themselves! Since weekends normally are slow, it is prudent to write while the orders are there. (Am I really this reasonable? My inner self says no)

  286. Grandma says:

    Memories tend to fade a bit as we age. The first radio station was in 1969, not 1972. That was probably the ad agency. TV in 1975. The first station was an adult rocker and number one in the mid-Michigan area, WVIC AM-FM in East Lansing, MI. I got a part time job while in college at MSU. It was such fun! One of the disc jockeys I worked with back then is now a casino host and wedding coordinator at the Sahara in Las Vegas. Someday I hope to get out there to see the town and say hello to him.

  287. Mandy says:

    Thank you, Peggy, for stating so well the reason I am so jealous of Grandma. I have not been writing as long as you ladies, but I am confident in my writing abilities. Grandma blows me away with her speed, and, as a fellow 5-star author, she must do it well, to boot. I can crank one out in 30 – 45 minutes with research, so the pay suits me still. I’m envious in the way I’m envious when I’m standing next to a gorgeous girl at the store. Do you feel my stink-eye on you, Grandma?

    A great job to you for working so diligently and cranking out nineteen articles. In all seriousness, you are prodding me to go further and work harder than I probably would have otherwise.

    Although, you are a dangerous role model because when I tried churning out a few (4-star) articles “Grandma-style,” they went through with errors that I should have caught. You should have a post-script on your comments, “Don’t try this at home.”

    Just one more question, are you taking the weekend off so that I and my snail-like speed can have a crack at some of those good-paying articles?

    By the way, I knew he/she was a fast payer because I make notes like that in client section. I also note ratings and other stuff. Just a tip that’s very helpful when choosing between two clients a day or so before payout.

  288. Grandma says:

    Oh about 50 years of experience…been writing things since I was 10. Professionally since about 1972; started in radio as their advertising copywriter. The 19 articles were all 220 words or a few more each. Many only took 15 minutes because they were about crafts I had personally had experience with somewhere along my lifeline. I started at about 6am and wrote as able throughout the day until about 1am, including grandkid care and shopping.

    I guess I am a high production writer. At the radio stations everything was done quickly and put on the air immediately. Great satisfaction to hear something I wrote a few minutes earlier produced and then broadcast on the air. I loved it!

    I have had at least a couple really great mentors, especially one man I worked for at an ad agency in Michigan in the 1970s. I type at least 120 wpm; computers make it easy to be fast. At the first radio station, I could out-type their Compaq computer! Had to pause for the printout to catch up.

    I know I have done more in a day because my top day was $350. This was only $220 or so. I usually select related topics so the research works for more than one article. I do not spend a lot of time on titles, but the opening lines are very important to set up the slant of the piece.

  289. Peggy Wheeler says:

    Grandma (and i’m a grandma, BTW, too — four girls, the oldest is 14) you amaze me. 19 articles in ONE day? I have been writing professionally (and editing) since the early 80s, and I type 110 wds per minute, but I could no more crank out 19 or 20 articles in a day than I could sprout wings and fly. Between selecting topics, developing a good title, research, checking my sources, composing and entering the text, then proofing and refining, then finally re-proofing and posting, even a 300 word article takes me an hour at least. So, what’s your secret?

  290. Grandma says:

    Happy day, Mandy. He was a fast payer and I just pulled out pay for the 19 articles I wrote for him yesterday! Hoohah, trip money.

  291. Grandma says:

    Oh yes, dinner break. And I had to take my daughter shopping for school clothes for her two children today also. Took about two hours of my time. And about $200 out of my credit card!

    Those are 15 minute articles if you have any experience with doing those types of crafts.

  292. April says:

    Grandma. I think this was a fast payer! Hammer out 10 or 20 tonight and you should be good to go for pay request tomorrow! If I remember, these were very simple and take no more than 10 or 15 minutes a piece. I only got a chance to write a few last time because of excessive back orders from other clients. I still have a few DOs at TB and some at CC…but I’m not letting the opportunity pass again! It’s times like this that DO clients can be a burden…but still so good to have! Yes blackpup…I will “get writing!”…as soon as I get supper out of the way!

  293. Grandma says:

    Alert everybody…I just got another phishing scam “email from PayPal” in my hotmail email box. Beware that these are ALWAYS scams; paypal or ebay will NEVER send you this type of email. Always forward them to “spoof@Paypal” (or ebay) and delete the message after. The real companies never ask for info by email. Always go to the real website to check out things.

  294. Grandma says:

    PTL yes! I so need this. Getting ready to move next week. Last time this client posted “5” orders, I wrote over $1000 for him during my biggest month. I can’t remember if he is a fast or slow payer. Remember, one client went out of town and TB gave him extra time for approvals. What a lovely client, and he leaves great feedback. I will be up all night tonight!

  295. blackpup says:

    Wow, you lucky ones that are a level 5, there are 1300 articles at the level 5 right now. Get Writing!!

  296. April says:

    They’re baa…aaak! There are now over 1000 orders placed under level 5! I guess summer break is over! 🙂

  297. Peggy Wheeler says:

    Thanks everyone. Grandma made a great point about educating ones self in any company. However, in an online biz like this, things change very quickly and sometimes radically. Therefore, the content from posts that are months old (and certainly those that are years old) are most likely irrelevant. I usually look back about five months. Saying that the last 8 posts had a lot of what I consider to be “negative comments” does not in ANY way mean that I’ve ONLY read 8 posts! The point is lately there seems to be some discouraged writers posting here, which is not encouraging to a new writer in the least. On the other hand, the nice responses from Grandma, April, Blackpup, and Mandy are thought provoking and inspiring. I’m willing to give it a good try. Thanks all!

  298. April says:

    I have only spent about 5 hours on TB this week, but managed to bring in $100 for it…$20 an hour isn’t too shabby. I am a very slow typist, as I only use one hand (left hand just doesn’t work well for typing…medical). The key is to do your absolute best at those level 3 and 4 articles even if you only make $8 in 2 hours. For those who are serious about it, they will keep plugging away in an effort to improve. It took me a year to get to a level 5…but it was well worth the struggle! 🙂

  299. blackpup says:

    Peggy, please don’t think of my last post as being negative. It was not meant to be. I am not a professional writer. I came across TB by way of an online friend who recommended it. It is the best site I have found to make some extra money. The only reason I dropped from a 4 to a 3, is because I wrote as many 4 level articles as I possibly could and did not check the article enough. I was more concerned in writing as many as I could in a 2 week time. It was my own laziness that got me there.

    I just cannot comprehend comma usage. That is also why I seem to get a lot of 3 star rated articles.

    Will this site make me be able to quit my job and just write articles? No, but it is a great source of extra pocket cash for me.

    So, Peggy, please do not be discouraged with TB before you give them a fair chance. Thanks.

  300. Mandy says:

    Grandma, how do you write so darn fast? Oh, well. I guess I will get there. I’ve taken the last three months off of writing and am now getting back into it. This is my first month (2 weeks, actually) of hitting it as hard as I can. I have to say, my hourly rate is a bit disappointing.

    I’m cranking out an article in less than 50 minutes, including research. I am also catching as many 5 stars as I can. I haven’t been really great communicating with clients. So, despite mostly excellent reviews, I don’t have many direct order clients.

    Next month, I am going to hit Demand Studios hard, then compare my hourly wage. I’m just wondering which one I really make the most with. I find Demand’s interface time consuming.

    I think it just comes down to practice, practice, practice. I’m already much faster than I used to be. I am wondering how other 5-star authors handle the 4-star orders. I will spend extra time on a 5-star to make it just right. But I can’t see where it’s worth it for the 4 stars. At the same time, I always want to do my best work.

  301. Grandma says:

    Peggy, why would you not want to educate yourself as much as possible about a company you want to do work for? Reading 8 posts out of over 800 about Textbroker is not enough to even dip a finger in!

    I have had an excellent two year run with Textbroker. My lowest month was about $350 (part time), average about $800 (part time) and best month was over $3400 (part time).

    Right now things are scarce, especially for category 5 titles, but it is August, so that is normal. Still, there are plenty of titles available, compared to this time last year when it dropped almost to zero for a little time. This month, even with my two week vacation, I still hammered out almost $500 and still counting.

  302. April says:

    A couple of months ago there were 1000s of orders at a level 5. I think that is the first time that ever happened though. There generally are only a few available a day. You have to keep an eye out to grab them, but it is well worth it. By the time many reach level 5 however, they have usually established at least a couple of Direct Order clients to help keep them busy. Just a bit of advice: When a client gives you good or excellent ratings, send them a note thanking them and let them know that you are available for Direct Orders if they need any further content. You might also check out grandma’s e-book (link at top of page)…she provides alot of valuable info. Good luck!

  303. Peggy Wheeler says:

    Thank you, April. Of the 8 latest comments (and of course, I’m not going to spend a lot of time looking at what people said awhile back, or last year and the year before) only a couple were somewhat positive, and none of them “glowing.” Six negative/neutral posts out of 8 is less than a steller recommendation. But, having said that, I hear you loud and clear that I need to give TB a good chance before becoming discouraged. So….I will do that! I appreciate your encouragement. Question: as a level 5 writer, do you find adequate level 5 assignments to keep you busy and making money? I noticed very few level 5 assignments in the queue. Just curious.

  304. April says:

    Peggy, I’m not sure why these posts discourage you…the majority of them are extremely positive. Of course we all like to complain once in a while, but TB is a great place and the editors are supurb! If you have only read the past few posts, they are a bit discouraging to newcomers perhaps. The “usuals” haven’t been posting lately and it looks as though most of these more recent posts are from newcomers. I think many give up before TB really starts to pay off because they get discouraged in the beginning. The smaller pay of levels 2-4 can be frustrating, but I will tell you as a level 5 author,it is well worth it. I started out at TB and have been able to combine my work there with some other sites and am now working at home as a freelance writer (in my 1st year at it)! Don’t give up on them before you give them a chance. Try reading further up at some of the older posts and follow Grandma’s success stories. She is evidence that you truly can make it at TB!

  305. Peggy Wheeler says:

    I just started as a TB writer (came in at level 4) and on Monday, I submitted my first article. I’m a little discouraged by these posts! I’m also a new Demand Studio writer, and my initial experience with them has been somewhere between frustrating and awful. Although Demand Studios pays better, I had high hopes for TB (note the emphasis is on the word “had”). Would anyone be willing to share their positive experiences with TB? Thank you!

  306. blackpup says:

    I did suggest to TB that they should have a rating between a 4 and a 5. I told them is was a long jump from a 4 to a 5. The person at TB wrote back to me stating it was a good idea and would bring it up to the CEO. Whether that happens or not is anyone’s guess.

    My 4 star rating was very short lived. I’m back to a 3 again. I wish they would hire more editors. Two weeks is a long time to get an article rated. Actually it’s been over 2 weeks.

    Courtney – That is pretty cool that you can make $70/day at 4 stars. You must write a lot of articles. I only have time to write one a day.

  307. April says:

    Grandma, that is hilarious! I received 10 notifications last night but just deleted the emails without opening them and checked the site instead. Maybe if I had opened them I would have gotten a good laugh! Perhaps we are now being rated by the German office???? 🙂 Either that, or the editors are up to their crazy shenanagans again like they were on April Fool’s Day. Hmmm…is it a German holiday today?

  308. Grandma says:

    Oh now, this is just too funny. Good thing I know a bit of German to understand what the 8 rating notifications I received this morning from Textbroker meant…they were all in German! First time this ever happened.

  309. Grandma says:

    Not sure whaT “too constant” means, but if you are making that much per day at 4 star, that is good. It is possible that they have enough 5 star writers at the moment. Recently there were a lot of 5 star articles available and I think they did upgrade quite a few writers.

  310. Courtney says:

    I’ve been at Textbroker for a while now. For the past three months I have gotten a constant four star rating. It is now my belief that you can’t be a five star writer. When I last requested five star status I was told that my writing is too constant. Luckily they have kept me at four stars. I’m only nineteen. Textbroker is my only job-I’ve managed to make seventy dollars a day with it though. Is there anything better?

  311. April says:

    Steve: Welcome to TB! The waiting period is only on the first 5 articles, after that you should be able to submit as many as you want. Some of us do move on, only to keep returning to TB for the majority of work. I did just land a private request client on Constant Content and hope it turns out to be consistent work, but TB is a great place to return when work slows down elsewhere. They can be counted on to have work available almost all the time and the editors are great! There is generally a dry spell around August, but at any other time, they seem to have a multitude of available work. Good luck and happy writing!

  312. Steve says:

    I had a quick question about Textbroker. Although it sounds like many of you have moved on to bigger and better things, I find TB easy to use. I have submitted my first five articles and have been paid for three. In order for me to continue writing I need all five articles to be rated which can take up to seven days. My concern is that during this waiting period I can’t write. Will this happen every time I submit five articles? Will I need to wait for all five to be rated before I can continue again and again? If so I don’t think the site will be worth my time. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Sincerely,
    A poor College Student

  313. Jen says:

    Wow, thanks everyone! The portfolio copyright issue is one I’ve wondered about for a long time. I do like the idea of re-writing articles, though. I’ll think about that. Jen

  314. April says:

    I save copies of every article I write and sell for full rights. While I know I can never repost these as my own, I fully intend someday (it’s always someday) to rewrite them and post on my own site (if I ever create one that is!). I know many (new writers especially) at TB simply write the article on the TB site and never keep a copy. In a few instances, I have been able to go back and reuse my research and rewrite an old article to sell as a new one. Now…if I could just find the time to rewrite all of those!

    I have looked up a few of the articles I have sold at TB to see where they end up. The majority of the time, they are posted with someone elses byline (which is perfectly legit…it is their article now). So I would steer clear of even providing links to the customer’s site. As Felicia said, it could open up a can of worms since the buyer owns the copyright. It shouldn’t take long to rewrite the articles as long as you have saved them.

  315. Kim H says:

    You’re right, Felicia. I wasn’t thinking about a client that puts their own name in the by-line. I was thinking about sites where you have a byline or none is given. I do some uncredited writing for Verizon and they encourage their writers to link to the site via the writer’s blog, website, or social media.

  316. Kim H says:

    I’ve seen many writers that provide links to the article on their website. That way they are giving access to the example of their writing, while at the same time driving traffic to the client’s site.

    • Felicia says:

      Kim, folks do it, but that doesn’t mean it’s the correct thing to do.

      I see folks texting while they drive too, but we all know that’s not the right thing to do.

      Let’s turn the tables for a moment. Suppose you hire someone to ghostwrite something for you. You approve the work, purchase the exclusive copyright and go along your merry way. A few weeks later you find the work you paid for and own is not only displayed on someone else’s site, but being used as a writing sample.

      Not knowing how the client intended to use the work, it can possibility open up a large and nasty can of worms. Some clients purchase full rights to a piece of work in order to place their name on the byline. You can see how placing that same piece of work on your blog as a writing sample can cause problems.

      Bottom line, once you sell it, it’s not yours anymore. I look at it this way, if you can write a good piece of work once, you can do it again. Why not re-write the piece and use an original on your own site?

  317. Ignatius says:

    Jen,
    I’m not a lawyer either, but I agree with Felicia. If the article was work done for hire, the purchaser owns it. The problem with displaying it on your website even as part of a portfolio is that it reduces the perceived value to the customer. While there is a debate as to whether or not Google grades duplicate content down, the website you sold the article to could lose traffic even if they don’t get a duplicate content penalty. The search engine could put your copy of the article higher in the search results and send visitors to your site instead of the client’s site.

    Artists who display a photo of a painting they have sold as part of a portfolio don’t reduce the value to the owner. If you emailed a copy of an article to a potential customer with the disclaimer that it had been sold, you probably wouldn’t harm the value to the person you sold it to. However, displaying it on your website can detract from the value.

    You also might want to consider the terms of use of the content company you work for. You might be in violation of those by displaying the article.

  318. Jen says:

    Hey everyone, a question about copyright.

    If we give full rights for an article to a client, can we still display it on our Web site as part of our portfolio, as long as we specify that the copyright no longer belongs to us, and we are only displaying it as a sample of our work?

    I’ve been trying to find the answer to this question on-line. This blog post seems to indicate that a portfolio is viewed by the law like a resume, but the post refers to graphic design and focuses on the state of Washington:
    http://blogs.graphicdesignforum.com/skirkland/2009/06/portfolio-whats.html

    Thanks!
    Jen

    • Felicia says:

      Jen, I’m no lawyer, but once you give full rights for an article to a client, you cannot place it on your website as a part of your portfolio without the written permission of the copyright holder.

  319. blackpup says:

    Thanks April and Diana for your responses. I will defiantly go to the forums and read it over.

  320. Diana says:

    Blackpup,

    Once you are accepted, you can log in to your account and upload your articles by clicking on the ‘submit article’ button.

    You then have to wait for the article to be accepted, which can take about a week.

    Alternatively you can chose assignments that have been submitted requesting specific content, but there is no guarantee your article will be chosen.

    They have a forum over there where long standing members will answer your questions.

  321. April says:

    blackpup: At CC you can either submit to public requests or place any article up for sale. You set your own prices. Before submitting anything, I would strongly suggest reading through the forums and familiarizing yourself with the site. They are strict in what they accept and expect their authors to submit error free articles. They do have a 3 strikes and your out rule. This rule is rather flexible and mainly pertains to new writers who are unable to successfully edit their material according to CC’s standards. In the forums, I definitly would look at “New Authors Start Here” Go to the forum page, click on “Questions and Answers” and it will be the first thread. Make sure to look through all guidelines and such too. They require specific font and formatting. Also, no first person. Good luck!

  322. blackpup says:

    Hi, I was accepted at Constant Content, but I have no clue how this site works. I saw in my email that they sent me an email stating so and so has requested some articles to be written. Is that how this site works, you have to wait for an email and then write an article? Then what? This site is very confusing. Thanks.

  323. blackpup says:

    I can’t believe how much harder the level 4 articles are to write. Research, research, research.

  324. Angela says:

    Congratulations, blackpup! It’s good to know that hard work really does pay at Textbroker.

  325. Grandma says:

    Blackpup, that is because your articles were rated at a 4, congratulations! Now, be sure to keep it that way. Write in an offline word processing program so that you can double check for spelling and grammar errors, and especially watch out for your comma usage. That is how to keep your 4 rating.

  326. blackpup says:

    I can’t believe it, I finally got upgraded to a level 4!!

  327. April says:

    Jen, I think the part showing your birthdate and hometown are optional to show. I believe there is a button to the right side that you can use to make it visible to clients. At least TB has kept me at a 5 and rated both articles as 4s (about the highest rating they give…5s are set manually but articles are usually still rated at 4) even after those 2 rejections. I’m definitly a slow researcher and typist! Good luck!

  328. Jen says:

    Ignatius, thank you for the answer on [plh]; I feel I’ve been seeing it a lot.

    April, thank you for explaining about the profiles. I’m a little uncomfortable with publicizing my birth date, but I guess I’ll live with it. I know what you mean about being a sucker for a challenge. I’m sorry you have those rejections on your record. I did one article where the client had a rejection rate of 2.9%. It made me slightly nervous, but I took a chance on it.

    I’m hoping I can break into level 5 someday soon, so I appreciate the experiences you’ve related. I’m being really careful about how I write in order to apply for level 5. For example, I’m used to writing copy in which it’s okay to begin sentences with “and” or “but,” but since those are technically sentence fragments, I’m avoiding that for the moment just in case.

    I just submitted my second article, woo hoo! I think I’m a lot slower than you all.

  329. Grandma says:

    Jen, your header tabs have “public profile” under which you can adjust what they see. The other tab is “my user data”. This sets up most of what is seen under the public profile. You would probably benefit from reading my eBook…LOL.

    I have not seen [plh]- anyone else?

  330. Ignatius says:

    Jen,
    I just ran across the answer. It stands for “placeholder.” That text is actually in the example Textbroker sends out to clients (I saw the example posted on a forum). It looks like it might be an issue with the Textbroker system or it could just be a client who failed to enter the keywords in the field where they belong.

  331. April says:

    Jen: Not sure what you are referring to as public and private? If you go to the “account” tab, you will see “public profile” and “my user data.” Public profile is what the clients can see about you. My user data is mainly personal info and your chosen areas of “expertise.” (clients see your expertise area as well). If you are wanting to set a specific rate for a certain client, you have to click on the client id#. Once you see the client’s profile, you click on “set client specific rate.” To answer your earlier question, clients only see the # of orders we have completed. They do not see how many we have canceled, the specific orders we have completed, or the number of revisions we have done. They do see our rejection rate though.

    Lessons learned:

    I never had a rejection rate until I reached a level 5. Way back when I started, a client tried to reject an order but TB overrode it. Since being upgraded to a 5 in April,I have received 2 rejections that TB granted. The first one was for a stupid spelling mistake…if it hadn’t been for that, TB said they would have overrode it…aarrgh…I had revised it so many times that I forgot to run Spellcheck the last time!). The 2nd was admittedly not good work…I was simply frustrated and did not understand what the client really wanted. In both instances, the clients had huge rejection rates…the 2nd one 11.11%! Unfortunately, I am a sucker for a challenge and tried to write them anyway…lesson learned! I have also figured out that at a level 5, if the client asks for a revision, you are probably better off canceling the order and using your piece elsewhere (unless it is a simple revision)! Unfortunately, that lesson was learned late and I now have a rejection rate and 3 clients who have blacklisted me to mar my profile! One of those clients I never wrote a thing for so I am assuming the blacklisting was because I have a rejection rate.

    Grandma: I have noticed some strange orders up lately…seems many clients are not taking time to understand how TB works before placing orders. Concerning level 5 authors, I was upgraded in April about 2 weeks before all of those orders started coming in. I was the 101st level 5 author (I have a client account primarily to see how things work from the client side). Since then, TB has added over 50 new level 5 authors! From having watched the numbers before I was added, I know they rarely added anyone before! So, perhaps they had reason to believe that they were going to need many more at that level. I certainly hope all those orders come back. I do wonder though if that client simply found some authors to place DOs with…it would be cheaper since many level 5 authors keep their DO rate lower. Anyway, it would be nice if TB could find a way to get more level 5 orders! 🙂

    Sorry for another very looong entry! 🙂

  332. Ignatius says:

    Jen,
    That [plh]looks like it might have been a failed database call. I can’t say for sure, but someone might have been trying to automate their process and there is a spot that is supposed to capture the keyword to be used in that sentence.

  333. Jen says:

    Hmm, I don’t seem to have a ‘public’ and ‘private’ under the profile tab; maybe because I haven’t completed my 5 articles yet? Now I’m trying to figure out what [plh] means. A lot of orders seems to use this, as in “The article should contain the keyword [plh].”

    Thanks again for your help!

  334. Grandma says:

    Yeah April, I had that happen once, wrote them a note and they blacklisted me. Maybe they were scared? Whatever, put them on your blacklist so they have the pleasant experience of seeing it too. If a client’s directions are strange or something else happens that makes me wonder about them, I will set an individual DO rate for them at 10 cents a word so I can tell at a glance I don’t want their orders. It’s a step up from blacklisting them. But then you need to check your notes on them prior to accepting an order to see your high rate.

    I guess I am really disaapointed at the type of orders up right now compared to last year when I made at least ten times what I have so far this month. I also wonder about that email they sent out promising to have lots of “good” orders.

  335. Saurus says:

    @Grandma & April: Haha, it’s okay. If it helps, I act very little like a female.

  336. April says:

    Grandma, I assumed Saurus was a guy also! Sorry Saurus…that’s what we get for assuming! I had thought about bringing those orders to the attention of the editors, but there have been quite a few the past couple of months, so thought perhaps they knew and were ok with it. The one vaguely referring to “side work” didn’t stay up long. I know there was one under level 4 weddings for months that asked for samples…but kept reappearing. Don’t know…just weird. I was just blacklisted by a client and I have no idea why. I wrote him/her an article the other day, they accepted it almost immediately (made no rating), I sent a thank you note…and then they blacklisted me!?! Oh well…guess that’s how it goes sometimes!

  337. Grandma says:

    April, you could bring those to the attention of TB.
    Saurus…LOL…I just was thinking dinosaur, I guess, male thing. Sometimes gender is hard to determine with nicknames.

  338. April says:

    I have wondered some at the quality of orders being placed lately. I have noticed a few lately under 5 (and a couple under 4) where the client places the word count at 1-5 words and then…what?…expects us to “bid” on them I suppose? I think one even mentioned working outside of the TB system (not allowed). These clients have obviously not taken the time to look through the site and figure out how TB works. One thing I really like about TB is that it is NOT a bid site. I have to admit that I was a little disappointed that they are allowing these types of orders. They obviously are not being filled, as they remain there for weeks and even months! I vaguly wondered if they were merely using the system to get free “samples” from authors. There are currently 2 of this nature under 5…I think they are still there…I blacklisted them yesterday so that I can see when real orders come in. 🙂

  339. Saurus says:

    @Grandma: No, he was right. 😛

  340. Grandma says:

    Jen, if you cancel the order you are looking at, the countdown clock stops. There are several other ways to get out of an order also. After the countdown ends, the order goes back to the list of open orders. Or if you cancel out. I think the countdown clock just gives you a few minutes to do a little research about the topic without losing the order.

    Look under your profile tab; there is a public and private profile.

    Jeff…I think Saurus is a guy. LOL
    Also, writing is a little like typing. The more you do it, the faster you get.

    This is a summer slump, happens every year so far. But I did do a ton better last July than this year. Not sure what is happening with TB orders right now.

  341. April says:

    Jeff, I am also a VERY slow researcher and typist…I basically type with one hand! The key to making a decent income on TB when you research and type slowly is getting to that level 5 (or getting regular clients who will pay you the equivalent of a level 5). Unfortunately, there are very few orders there. I got excited last month with the thousands of orders that piled in and the promising update from TB that made it sound as though this may possibly be a regular thing. I am getting a little discouraged now though and am starting to burn out on TB for the moment. I have had some success with Constant Content and have reached that “magic number” of articles to where they are supposed to start selling. I am averaging the sale of 1 every other day this week…maybe I should look into spending more time there! I was accepted at DS back in April but haven’t written anything yet. I have been considering revenue sharing sites as well and was wondering which sites everyone suggests??? I have looked briefly at Triond and Bukisa…just don’t have the time right now to pursue it. I have seen that Associated Content has become a part of Yahoo now…anybody have an ideas on that?

  342. Jeff B. says:

    Should probably clarify my statement about upfront payment being a dead end.
    What I mean is that for someone like me who can only write an article in about an hour, the pay that Textbroker offers is not good. Also, because of the complications of getting something through DS sometimes, that site at $15 dollars an article is also not good for someone like me.

    I LIKE what Constant Content does in allowing the writer to set their own price. So if I put a lot of research and effort into my articles (and I do), I can make a decent amount of money for my time. Unfortunately, on CC only a small percentage of articles sell, so you never know how much money, if any, you will make in a given time frame. And basically the same thing would occur on this AA site I created.

    This is why I am REALLY looking hard now at the whole revenue sharing model, and trying to come up with a plan to promote myself enough to get into the better markets…long term blogger assignments plus the rev share sites.

    Now Grandma and Saurus….see…for you guys (er, girls), you can kick out those upfront pay articles fast, so you could then simply invest some of your earnings and have revenue that way…stocks or whatever…and that would be just as good really, maybe better.

  343. Jeff B. says:

    Saurus, yeah. I just mentioned the auction site on Demandstudiossucks….haha. Not many writers are interested since I set it up last week. Only four have registered and no auctions. Has to be something to promote before I can promote it. And I myself have written nothing either, not for AA or TB or anywhere else in about a week. Been working on setting up my blog. I’m going to try and sell my own articles if the AA site goes nowhere (looks like that is what is going to happen). I think if I do it right, I can make some good money on my own and maybe build a rep for myself in the process, and who knows where that might lead.
    By the way….Felicia….congrats on your revenue milestone. That is definitely the way to do things I think for the long haul. Upfront payment is really tempting, but I think it is a dead end for most of us with the exception of really fast writers like Grandma and Saurus. You girls rock! Takes me an hour or more to do what each of you can do in half the time or less.
    Cheers!

  344. Jen says:

    Thank you, Grandma. I’ll keep an eye out for the checkmarks. I think the next time I see an ambiguous request on keywords, I’ll e-mail TextBroker and see what they say. I wasn’t sure if I could send a message to a client before I’ve accepted a project, but I may try that too.

    The reason I was worried about tying up an order is that when I click on it, a little counter counts down from 10 minutes as I view it. If I don’t do anything, it eventually disappears. And I’m not allowed to view any other assignments until then.

    I did my first article and got a great rating from the client; so far so good.

    I’m wondering how much of our profiles and other stats (like projects we’ve rejected or accepted) the clients on TextBroker can see.

    I’m really grateful to everyone for your comments here. They helped me decide to sign up at TextBroker. And thanks for this great site, Felicia.

  345. Saurus says:

    Oh, Jeff… I think I just caught you posting information about your auction site on a forum for DSS? 😛

  346. blackpup says:

    Well, I got turned down by IB. They said I did not match their writing style. Of course, they do not explain what their writing style is. Probably a nice way of saying I am not good enough to write for them. Oh well!

    Well, I made my goal for last pay period for TB, my goal is to make a little more money from pay period to pay period.

    I have not been to motivated to write lately. I just think I’m drained from all the overtime I have put in from my day job. Plus, I have not had a review from TB in 2 weeks. I emailed them to ask why, and have had no response. That is so unlike them. I usually get a response within the same day.

  347. Grandma says:

    Hi Jen. No, you are not tying up assignments. You can only “tie up” or take one open order at any one time, and you have to click on the “accept” button to accept one. You can cancel it later if you decide you do not want to finish it without any penalty and it will return to open orders.

    As for the keyword counts…there is a new feature of a check mark that shows up either red or green. It will be red until you reach the desired amount of keywords requested and it turns green once you get to that amount. If you go too much over, it will turn red again, I believe. You can use that as a measure for your density. This can be viewed if you click on “show instructions.”

    I have not run into any that clients want it so many times, but then I have not been looking at much lately either. LOL Good luck. You can always contact Textbroker editors and ask them for clarification; they have the last word.

  348. Jen says:

    Hi Felicia and everyone here! I recently signed up for TextBroker and am feeling a bit flummoxed by the assignments. Most of them are very vague, and I have no idea where to start. Am I just not being improvisational enough? I am used to knowing more about the client, the target audience and the objective of the piece.

    The other problem I’m having is this. Many orders I’ve looked at will ask for keywords in a manner such as:

    1. Use the following keywords:

    Seattle Real Estate required keyword density: 9-12 times
    Seattle Homes for Sale required keyword density: 9-12 times
    Seattle Homes required keyword density: 9-12 times
    Seattle Luxury Estates required keyword density: 9-12 times

    Or:

    2. Mention hair, hairstyle, and updo 15 times.

    So, for (1), does that mean I have to put each separate term 9-12 times in the article, for a total of 36 to 48 times? Or mention them all up to 12 times in total? In (2), do I mention each term 15 times, for a total of 45? Or each one 5 times for a total of 15? I apologize if this is a dumb question.

    As it is, I have been clicking on assignment descriptions and not clicking the accept or decline buttons. Am I tying up these articles by doing that? I don’t mean to.

    Thanks for all the extremely helpful comments on this thread.

    • Felicia says:

      Jen, there’s no such thing as a dumb question.

      I’m won’t be of much help, but I know my resident experts will be able to give you the right answers.

  349. Mandy says:

    I made my earnings goal and my “time spent writing” goal today! 🙂

  350. Grandma says:

    Well I seem to be working on a new low earnings for this pay period! Being ill for over a week and the lack of articles plus the holiday are the perfect storm. It will pass. Meanwhile, have patience. This is the reason why I can’t force myself to depend on TB for sole support. It’s feast or famine.

    When we are not making money, neither are they, and they have 5 editors to support, I believe. Remember last year when there were a couple times with zero articles listed? It’s summer, kind of an off time. But the holidays are less than six months away, and there have been some Halloween things up already.

    I don’t know what else to tell you guys.

    Mandy, I did notice that guy who had all the 5s did post a bunch at level 4. I know I made at least $1000 off him before. Sorry to see that one go down.

  351. Mandy says:

    I’ve got two personal traits working against me right now. First, I feel guilty as heck working while the kids are home from school. Second, over the years, I’ve become somebody who tends to help out a lot. Not that I’ve ever minded. It’s just that now that I’m trying to do my own thing, I’m running smack into the hard truth that there are, alas, only so many hours in the day, and I have to make a choice. Needless to say, my new ventures are rocky territory for me and everyone else used to me doing other stuff.

    Jim – I only have experience writing for TB and DS. DS is definitely a lot more work because their articles require a grasp of the subject. That’s a good thing for me because I am developing my niche in legal writings based on my past experience. I figure it’s a little known topic that I can probably do well writing about online. As I achieve my time management goals, I plan on branching out.

    You’re right: we’ve gotta have self-respect. If we take what we’re doing seriously as business people and professional writers, then the success will follow.

  352. Jim says:

    Mandy, Grandma, Crystal: I sincerely appreciate your comments. It’s reassuring to find support amongst our community of freelance writers just trying to make little income. Without knowing for certain, I also feel that Textbroker has a lot of top level 4 and 5 writers, and the clients are getting a bargain for our work. I think it’s a cheap tactic to post an Open Order and then send a message to a writer, but nevertheless, the clients are certainly free to conduct their business however they see fit. It doesn’t mean that we have to participate. I like writing for Textbroker; the articles are usually easy to do and don’t require much in the way of research and references (i.e. Demand Studios with its emphasis on .gov and .edu references and dealing with copy editors). I’m going to follow the recommendations of everyone and pick and choose who I write for. We’ve got to have the attitude that we, at least somewhat, have some control of our writings, who we write for and our careers. Thanks for the encouragement Grandma!
    Mandy: Regarding your note about competition for Textbroker, has anyone worked for Content Authority?

  353. Mandy says:

    Jim – I’d be miffed too and probably wouldn’t write the articles.

  354. Mandy says:

    For some reason Textbroker hasn’t found a way to convince clients to pay decent rates for quality content. Even for those rated 5-star, most of my articles were rated excellent by the client, and I am sure I’m not the only one. I am sure plenty of the authors at TB write content that the clients rate as excellent.

    TB’s rating system seems solid. Even the 5-star price is lower than the rate marketing firms creating sites pay freelance writers. So what gives?

    Is it the clientele themselves? Maybe they don’t make enough money from their sites to warrant the costs. Is TB not marketing themselves well?

    What happened to the client who had all those 5-star articles? Is he sending direct orders to the authors he liked? Did it just take too long for his orders to get picked up, so he’s not coming back? Or did he realize that if he sprinkles his orders into the 4-star pool, he’ll probably pick up good content from “displaced” 5-star writers and the 4-star writers write well anyways? Maybe he just hasn’t seen enough profit from his business to warrant the costs.

    I really believe TB has a pool of quality writers. But, whether it’s the market or a flaw in TB, clients are not breaking down the door.

    My guess is the market. TB doesn’t have any competitors (that I’m aware of) that are blowing them away. Though, I haven’t looked closely at Constant Content, it seems their auction style targets a different niche anyway.

    I haven’t learned to write fast enough to make $5-7 an article worth it. No doubt, successful TB writers not only write well, they write fast. Just look at Grandma!

    I’ve been told my whole life that I can write. I thought I was a shoe-in for making money with writing online. What I’m finding is that knowing how to write is only part of the strategy to winning this game. But I have faith that I can learn what I am lacking – write quickly, manage time, etc. – and achieve my goals. Still, I am looking beyond Textbroker.

  355. Crystal says:

    Jim – I’ve had the same thing happen. In my case, I messaged the client and explained that orders in the open pool are snatched up pretty quickly and that I was unable to even look for them beings I was working on another OO and we’re limited to one at a time. The client didn’t understand the way the system works from the writer side and from then on just sent the orders directly to me as DOs. She may have also been trying to save a little money but the biggest factor was a misunderstanding of the TB system.

  356. Grandma says:

    I ran into that Jim, a couple of times. One time it was a client who liked my work, but we never discussed direct orders. I did thank her for alerting me to the orders she placed and I did write several at level 4. Another time I had discussed direct orders with a client who seemed interested, and he did place a couple with me, but later went back to putting orders out on the open order list. Those were not things I wanted to write, so it didn’t matter. It really is their option.

    Saurus, that hurts to find a blacklist when you haven’t even written for them before…that is strange. Don’t worry about it.

    Everyone remember, this is a holiday time…4th of July…things are slow. They will pick up sometime, they always have in the past.

  357. Jim says:

    Has anyone encountered this tactic with Textbroker customers? I have completed a few Direct Orders for several Textbroker customers at my only slightly higher DO rate. Recently, I have received messages from a couple of these customers informing me that they have posted new orders in the Open Order inventory and, if I would like, can pick up and write these orders. My guess is that they want me to write the order, but do it at the lower open order rate instead of the higher DO rate. In a couple of instances, I have written the order because I had already done the research, but in a few of the others, I just ignored their messages. I’ll have to admit, I’m a little miffed at their “thriftiness.” Anybody have any thoughts on how to handle these situations?

  358. Saurus says:

    Well, I took a bit of a break from Textbroker due to the dwindling number of articles. Now I took a glance over at it and find the number is much lower than it was before, and a few clients set me on blacklist and I haven’t even written for them before.

    Sigh. I’ve been busy writing on Demand all of this time, and I have been unable to return to Textbroker because $15 per 300/400 words versus what I make there… well, you get the idea. Then again, even if I wanted to, I only see 300 articles available.

  359. Crystal says:

    Happy 4th everyone! Thought I’d share that I got a really nice email from TB denying my 5 star request. Not sure when I requested an upgrade but it’s been several months ago. Anyway, it cited specific reasons (comma usage – again!) so that’s good news for those wanting to identify writing deficiencies and improve performance. The funny thing is, I had already concluded that TB is no longer a good fit for me and had even blogged about it earlier in the day. How coincidental is that?

    I’ve been a steady 4 with TB for nearly a year and really enjoyed the experience. After the transition of eHow WCP folks to DS, however, it became clear that I could easily make triple the money at DS writing about stuff I know well. My earnings in 2.5 months with DS are about 2/3 what I made with TB since last July. And I have yet to experience the editing nightmares that kept me from applying to DS prior to the automatic transition. It hasn’t all been a bed of roses – two rejected articles (both my fault, but ouch) and my rewrite percentage hovers in the low 20s – but all in all a good experience. The ironic thing is that TB pretty much trained the commas out of me and now DS is training them back in. Go figure.

  360. Jeff B. says:

    Well…scratch the link bait focus. Already getting some negative feedback from writers about that. They think it should be more general, so ok.

    Have a great Fourth of July, everyone!

  361. Jeff B. says:

    Oh, I have, Grandma, and like you, I love to gamble too! haha…Tried four times to make it as a hold em poker player but crashed all four times. I did win first place in tournaments though twice, and one of those paid $7,200 and some change. But in the end expenses exceeded my winnings and I had to quit traveling around. After four attempts, I finally gave that whole idea up completely.
    Anyhow, I decided to make the site a link bait article auction site. Of course, in my opinion, the term “link bait” is just another way of saying “really good article” but the term gets thrown around a lot to mean something more special than what it really is. A link bait article is supposed to create more buzz than a normal article and make other blogs and websites want to link to it.
    I think it is a decent idea. I mean, you can set your own price this way…20, 30, 40, whatever…and it does not have to be like an auction really. I have it enabled for anyone to do “Buy Now” only. So it will basically be like Constant Content but without the most perfect grammar guy in the world editing your text and throwing it back at you.
    Of course, if someone tries to post articles that have serious and obvious errors, I am going to shut that person down quick.
    Anyhow, its up! So now I am just going around to forums trying to recruit some initial writers to register and begin posting. If I can get those first 100 articles, its on! Maybe I should just outsource to India for those first 100, huh? lol!

  362. Grandma says:

    Hey Jeff, if you don’t buy a lotto ticket, you definitely won’t win ever. Go ahead and try it, see what happens. Many of us have had lots of failures…they are just steps to success at the end.

  363. Jeff B. says:

    Well, I’m not going to let it be a bargain basement type of thing. And see, it does not actually have to be an auction. I could disable that option across the board and have everything “Buy Now” only. And if I set the bottom price at $10, then it would be like Constant Content, although I have noticed on that site some articles that are cheaper than at TB lately.
    But I really do not want it to be another CC. I’m thinking of making it more specialized…I could make it an all technology article site….or PR site…link bait site….whatever.
    What I have looked into, Grandma, there are no article auction sites. Of course, there is the reverse “project bid” site like Elance…many sites like that one…and most of the bidders from India. HAHA!
    Yeah, I’m definitely going to try it. I’m a swing for the fences type of guy, which is why I have had so many business failures during my life. I’m always optimistic though. I keep thinking one of these times I’m going to swing for the fences and hit a homer.

  364. Ignatius says:

    Jeff B.,
    I think there is probably a potential market for an auction type site, but I’m not sure how easy it would be for one person to bootstrap a business like this. You will need major league security 24/7, responsive tech support and customer service. Maybe you have all that lined up, but, if not, I think the necessary capital investment may be higher than you are expecting. With a start-up business, people aren’t likely to come back if the initial user experience isn’t good.

    I would be interested in seeing how it does, but I wouldn’t be inclined to be an early adopter for two reasons. First, it doesn’t appear likely to pay any better than the content mills. Since these are safe and pay on time, there isn’t a lot of incentive for most writers to try an auction site where most of the buyers are likely to be looking for bargain articles. Second, even an industry giant like eBay has difficulty catching all the sleazy dealers and customers on their site. For a small operation, you may feel like you are playing a constant game of “whack a mole” trying to catch the unpleasant folks for whom making money on the Internet is an adventure in seeing how much they can get for the least amount of work. Many are ethically challenged, self-centered and really don’t care who comes out a loser as long as they win.

    All that said, I don’t want to rain on your parade. The things entrepreneurs want to do always make those of us who are cautious types a bit nervous. I do wish you every success. I’m sure you understand all the technical aspects of running a site like that, I’m just concerned that you may be underestimating the number and creativity of all the snakes hiding in the grass.

  365. Grandma says:

    Interesting, and a ton of work to do. You must locate writers AND buyers. I am so not a pro at getting people to a website, and that is the hardest thing.

    Have you searched to see if there is anything similar?

    For this to succeed, the buyers must find more value at your website than at others. The work must have some type of visible quality standard.

    You could do some promotion featuring the lowest prices, like “web articles $3” or something like that, but that does not address the possibility of higher priced, better quality articles.

    It certainly would not hurt to try. It will be interesting to see what others have to say about this.

  366. Jeff B. says:

    What do all of you think about this idea?

    An article auction site….writers post teasers of their articles like on Constant Content…but instead of price options, you auction your articles like you would auction something on ebay. You set a beginning bid, which would be the lowest price you will sell the article for, and set a “Buy Now” price, then let it run 1 to 3 days. The winning bidder or Buy Now purchaser pays you directly with PayPal immediately, and then you send him/her the article.
    At the first of the month, the auction article venue sends you an invoice like ebay does…and let’s say you pay 10% total fee for all of your sales for the month.
    Subtract your PayPal fee, and you earn more than 85% total from each article you sell.

    Sound good, or not? No editor to deal with. You would be responsible for editing your own text. You would also be responsible for the plagiarism check (200 Copyscape checks for $10). No fees other than the 10% sales fee invoiced at the beginning of the month. When your auction ends, if your article does not sell, you simply relist for free.

    I’m asking because I have already set this up. I just need to add the categories/topics and set a few admin options to the script. Different than elance or CC….different than anything really. It gives control back to the writer along with most of the payment.

    When I launch it, the site needs to be populated with some articles first before promotion…atleast 100….I can do it on my own but it will take me some time for sure, so I need writers to start some auctions for their articles soon.

    So in the auction description…you would give a summary paragraph of the article….followed by an outline (intro, subhead, subhead, close…whatever…maybe with brief descriptions for each section)…then a mention of keywords used…a “Passed Copyscape” notice….and perhaps an offer to the bidders that you will change the keywords for them or add keyword phrases but will not rewrite the whole article (and they should contact you first before bidding or buying if they want changes)…then have the actual introduction paragraph as the teaser…no full articles on the description. Not everyone is honest, and you would have some do a quick copy/paste and then simply rewrite it using spin software like Best Spinner.

    And you set your own beginning price plus Buy Now price. I could make the minimum beginning price $2 or $3 in order to prevent anyone from trying to sell too cheap…or maybe $5 lowest…and you can set your own increment bid amount to whatever.

    Promotion is not going to be a challenge for me, just a lot of work. Posting on blog and website forums, submitting to Bloggerjobs and other places…and some SEO sites I am a member of…plus writing and submitting press releases.

    I need some feedback. What do you think?

  367. Grandma says:

    Well one of the editors sent me an email since I had complained that they have fixed the problem…but there still might be a few kinks in that messages may not come up in the right order?

    I can give it a day or two, since I can hardly see with my swollen, sore and bloody eyes. I look like I have been hit by a truck!

  368. Pam C says:

    That’s good to know. I sent a client a message several hours ago asking for clarification and I’ve seen no reply.

  369. Grandma says:

    Oh that idea did not work at all, I got a ton of other messages including one from a TB editor.

  370. Grandma says:

    TB seems to be having a bit of a problem lately with their message function. Today I sent a client a short note. When he answered, there were also about 30 other messages and responses from other writers/clients included. They mentioned odd notes, so they obviously got our messages. I have contacted TB three times now about this same problem. I feel it is a big problem, because some things I work on I know are confidential. To have our messages land in someone else’s message is just not acceptable. Maybe I will ask them if we can skip the rule and use regular email.

    For now I have decided to make each message an original and not build on the previous message as we normally do. I will ask the client to do likewise and see if that works.

  371. Glen says:

    Hi everyone! Thanks Felicia for mentioning Textbroker on your site. I tried commenting a week or so ago and seemed to be having some troubles getting it to submit, but hopefully it will work this time! 🙂

    I’ve been relatively pleased with Textbroker, with the exception of one rather rude client that disheartened me quite a bit. I was accepted with a 4 rating, and oddly enough he accepted two articles I wrote. On the third article, however, he told me my “style was off,” and with subsequent revisions proceeded to EXCLAIM IN ALL CAPS that I was a horrendous writer for not following the guidelines he put.

    Oddly enough, the only guidelines he put was the keyword. He also criticized me for not using third-person voice when I had no other voice but third person in the article!

    My advice for anyone writing for TextBroker is to check out the client’s rejection rate before you begin writing for them. I refuse to write for any client with a rejection rate other than 0% after the experience I had, and have managed to find plenty of work with that mindset.

    I have noticed that my fields of interest (primarily computing, gambling, and the Internet) have been slacking with work, however. I’m hoping it picks up again soon. One day I made $16 in a single hour when a client wanted three articles for online casinos.

    I think it’s definitely worth checking out. But, I agree with you, Felicia, that you shouldn’t give up on residual income. I have yet to make much over $1 since I’ve just started, but I know how it is much more intelligent income.

    I’m also investing some dollars in Grandma’s book! Can’t wait to see what I can learn from the guru herself. Get feeling better, Grandma.

  372. Ignatius says:

    Angela and blackpup,
    Getting into a group as Felicia’s article recommends is a good idea. If you do have to get an individual policy, there are a lot of factors that influence the price. Your age is the first one. The cost of medical care where you live is another. How large a deductible you have and the amount of your co-pays are other factors.

    A policy with a large deductible is a reasonable option for many people. Basically, you pay normal and small medical expenses out of your own pocket, but the policy kicks in for major medical issues. Anthem has a huge and confusing variety of policies that each offer multiple options. I think you can go to their website and “shop” for policies without having to deal with an agent. Other companies probably have a lot of information on their websites, too. I’m definitely not pushing Anthem.

    Unless someone else is your age and lives in your area and has comparable health issues to yours, the price they pay won’t match yours. The best thing to do is to go to some of the insurance websites and look at prices. It’s a balancing act to decide how much you want to pay upfront in premiums versus the amount of risk you want to take with a larger deductible.

    If you haven’t had a recent medical examination you may have to get one. And, massive amounts of paperwork are guaranteed :).

  373. Leigh says:

    The prices I mentioned were for individual plans. Mind you I still have higher deductibles and co-insurance, but it’s better than nothing. My RX is usually covered.

    All I had to do was fill out online applications. No physicals. But that may be because I’ve never been without health insurance?

  374. Angela says:

    @Felicia Thanks for the link to the article. It was very informative! It never even occurred to me that there might exist writer’s associations through which I could get insurance. I’m certainly going to use these writer skills of mine and do a bit of research and see what options are available to me.

    @Leigh Wow! That’s WAY reasonable. That wasn’t the kind of deal I was quoted when I was shopping around during the period of time that I mentioned. When I do my research I’ll look into both of the companies that you mentioned. Thanks for the heads up. Oh, and if I remember correctly, I had to both fill out an enormous amount of paperwork and take a physical exam??? (can’t remember exactly). Did you have to do any of this when you made your application?

  375. blackpup says:

    Leigh, was the Anthem for an individual or family? I get Anthem through work and for my spouse and me, the premiums are ridiculous. I have to pay $300/month.

  376. Leigh says:

    I have been paying for private health insurance for at least 6 years. I was with Anthem Blue Cross medical and dental for about 5 years at about $150 a month. They raised it by about $50 a month so last month I switched over to Summa Health for about $125 a month.

  377. Angela says:

    Oh, awesome! Thank you, Felicia. I’ll check it out right now.

  378. Angela says:

    First, let me say to Grandma that I hope that you feel better. Being sick is just not fun at all!

    I’m glad though that this was raised as a topic in this thread. Medical insurance (or the lack thereof) has always been one of the issues in the past that kept me from spreading my wings and freelancing full time. What have other writers who don’t have a working spouse to provide coverage and who have been working independently for years been doing? I assume that they’re purchasing private insurance. The one time that I looked into buying medical insurance privately I got the shock of my life. I don’t remember the figure, but it was steep, and that was for individual coverage.

    I’d love to hear thoughts and experiences in this area.

  379. Grandma says:

    It’s times like this when I think I should get life insurance so the kids can at least bury me without hardship- someday. I know a lot of people who died way younger than my age. You never know. I figure I have at least 10 to 20 more years. Oh well, if I do not feel better by tomorrow I will go somewhere to a doctor. I really try to avoid that!

  380. Grandma says:

    Oh the downfalls of freelancing…no sick days. Our air conditioning went out of a day when it was really hot and I caught some kind of cold. My eyelashes were stuck shut this morning and I feel terrible all over, coughing up stuff like crazy. You could pack a house into the bags under my eyes. Took one super antibiotic that we had around the house and hopefully that will start to help me fight this off. I can’t hardly see, much less write or think. So when you freelance, there are no sick days, and no insurance. Now is when I remember the good old days of full employment with full medical benefits; so long ago.

    • Felicia says:

      Oh man, sorry to hear you’re not feeling well. You’re right, there are no sick days when you freelance, that’s why I try to keep the residuals coming in.

      I hope you feel better soon!

  381. Mandy says:

    It sounds like the new rating system, while giving more weight to client ratings, also at the same time asks specific points: knowledge, style, etc. Hopefully, it will avoid the “I just don’t like it because Hemingway could have written it better” syndrome. Textbroker so far I think is very fair and reasonable with their writers. Time will tell if they remain a positive company to work for.

  382. Riley says:

    Thank you much Mandy and Grandma for the quick responses. I usually try to stick to clients without very specific instructions to avoid this sort of thing. I would have let it go, but as Grandma mentioned, I received the same notice from Textbroker about their intention to give more weight to client ratings in the future. I guess I’ll wait and see what Textbroker rates me for it and then go from there. Thanks much again for the kind and timely advice!

  383. Grandma says:

    You may want to explain to TB why you feel the client rating was unfair, becuase they recently indicated they would put more weight on client ratings.

    I had sort of a similar one this past week, I had to do 4 rewrites before he accepted it and then he gave me mixed ratings on a level 5 article.

    I was about to cancel the whole thing but did not, because it’s slim pickings right now. If you had canceled it, there would be no rating and no impact on you. Someone else would do the article.

    I believe the client cannot request a rewrite after they have accepted the article.

  384. Mandy says:

    Riley – Don’t feel bad about an article rated as acceptable. Sounds like most of your ratings have been really good, which is about what you should shoot for. Clients rate on any number of factors, quality of writing only being one. Sometimes, it’s just a style issue where your piece is stylistically different than what they had in mind. You can’t be faulted for that unless they were unusually specific in their description.

    Once a client accepts an order, there is no going back. The order cannot be rewritten and re-rated. I’ve received one poor rating that crushed me. I was sick to my stomach and couldn’t write for TB for a week. I tried to make it right with the client. He was open to a re-write and I contacted TB to make it happen. I was told once the order is accepted, it goes through their whole system, including rating. I could have rewritten the article and messaged it to the client. I declined to do that because I felt that as a matter of professionalism, if the client hated what I wrote, he should have requested the rewrite. TB’s system is very client-friendly in that way. No client needs to pay for something he hates.

    I felt that I should not rewrite something for free, without the opportunity to “save” my rating with Textbroker. As it turns out, TB rated the article a four and I took a closer look at the client and saw a whopping 7% rejection rate. The resulting verbal abuse I received from the client reinforced my decision. But I was out a week’s worth of work over it all.

    The point is, it taught me to have a little emotional distance from the rating system. That way I can constantly improve my craft without wondering if I am good enough. My stress level is much lower as a result. Don’t beat yourself up over the rating.

  385. Riley says:

    Hi all, lurker here. I’ve begun writing for Textbroker within the past few weeks, and have run into a question. A client accepted an article of mine, but ranked me only acceptable and average for all of the rankings. He/she refuses to message me back about a rewrite for a higher rating. I believe there was a message posted about a similar client somewhere above, but I was unable to find it. Am I going to have to eat the rating, or should I shoot off an email to Textbroker?

    I felt a little ambushed by it since the client revision and rejection rates were both 0.00%. I’ve consistently been rated much higher, which is why I find this client a bit frustrating. Any advice or Grandmaesque pearls of wisdom would be appreciated.

  386. blackpup says:

    I just applied to IB. Wish me luck.

  387. Leigh Ann says:

    Chris

    Thanks for the info on Internet Brands. When I go to their web site and search for openings, there are none listed under the “work from home” category. Is there a separate link to apply?

  388. Chris says:

    Oh, and I suppose I should also mention that the IB editors are friendly and pretty lenient, IMO. As long as you follow what’s dictated in the style guide, IB grants its writers a fair amount of wiggle room to get creative. Every article I’ve submitted so far has been accepted and published without any changes.

  389. Chris says:

    Hello my fellow Textbrokers,

    I just thought I would drop by and recommend you all check out Internet Brands. IB accepted me last week to write for their diet and nutrition website, Fitday.com, and I must admit, I’ve fallen in love with this egg. The work is consistent, simple, and straightforward. Best of all, I’m writing about a subject I enjoy and the pay is better than what I was making as a level 4 writer at TB. Since I’ve lived as a vegetarian for many years, I know a fair amount about nutrition and health so I can write many articles without doing any research. Most articles seem to be about 500 words and they pay out $10 each. Once you master the style guide, you can start pumping out articles like no tomorrow.

    What used to frustrate me about TB was the lack of a style sheet. I thought I spent too much time figuring out how each client wanted me to write, which took time away from doing actual writing. If you think like I do, or if you’re looking for another egg to put in your freelance writing basket, then you might want to check out IB. They’re a great company to write for.

    The reason why I’m posting this is because I really wish someone would have told me about IB sooner. LOL. Felicia has a post about IB in the database if you’d like to read more about the company.

    If you decide to apply, don’t be discouraged if weeks pass before you hear anything. It took about a month of pestering on my part before IB finally approved my application.

    Felicia, I hope you don’t mind my posting here instead of the IB thread. I wanted to reach Textbroker writers who I think might be interested in hearing about IB.

  390. April says:

    Great job blackpup! Keep it up and I’m sure you will advance as you keep learning!

  391. blackpup says:

    I received another 4 star rating by TB, unfortunately I always seem to have more 3’s. I guess it is my fault though, I rush through the articles because my time is so limited and I like to try to write at least one a day. I love to write the easy articles in which I do not have to do any research. Hopefully I will get faster and better at this, because it is taking me about 45 minutes to write an article.

  392. blackpup says:

    I received 2 more 4 star ratings yesterday, however I also received 2 3 star ratings. I must be improving a little bit anyway.

  393. Mandy says:

    Grandma – my husband is big fan of Reagan too!

    Well, Demand Studios is proving to be a headache. My second article required a rewrite, or maybe it didn’t-the customer support person and I never really figured out what the editor was really trying to say. Customer support took a full three days to answer my query, by the way. When the confusion seemed about as clear as it was going to get, I submitted the revised article about 30 minutes prior to the supposed deadline. I thought it went through. The next morning I awoke to an email stating that the deadline had expired. So, I picked the article up again and sent in the revised copy that I tried to send the evening before. Now, the darn thing is flagged for plagiarism. Yea, I am offended; I have never plagiarized a thing in my life!

    I sent customer support an email. I thought about emailing the guy I had been corresponding with about the editorial problem. But I don’t understand their system enough to know if i should put that many cooks in the kitchen.

    Does anyone have any experience/advice about this?

  394. Leigh Ann says:

    This really is a great forum and I am glad I stumbled across it. I think I am going to email TB and ask about being moved up to a 5 rating. I’ve submitted 25 articles so far and 24 of them were rated at a 4, so hopefully that is sufficient? Or should I wait until I’ve done a few more?
    I also started writing for Experts123, anyone else here try them? It’s very new, but seems okay so far. If your initial samples are of the quality they are looking for, they approve you right away for flat rate work. I wrote a piece last week which took 20 minutes and paid me $10. If they don’t approve flat rate right away, you can still gain that level by writing revenue share pieces.

  395. Doran says:

    I love reading the comments here and have for a long time, just do not say much. I have an off-line biz that keeps me busy and have not written much for textbroker, though I would like to do more. The encouragement from comments is aiding in that goal.

    Like so many of you, the research eats up a great deal of my time. Many of the instructions are either vague or utterly unintelligible. Sometimes, I feel discouraged, however, reading the comments here I see I am not alone and plod through considering it a learning process and building experience.

    @John, I relate to your frustration, however, if we take the time to examine carefully we will find that our work, for one reason or another, did not merit being moved up. I was stung at first because I am only rated at a 3. I realize now that the standards will only improve my work and eventually earn me more money. More importantly, it will enable me to become a better writer all around.

    @Jacob…congrats, keep up the good work. From your comment, I can see that you have a good mastery of the English language and take the time to edit what you write. May we all take example from one so young and yet so diligent.

    @Felicia, thank you so much for providing this blog. Had it not been for the camaraderie here I might have been discouraged and given up. And thanks everyone for sharing your experiences.

  396. Grandma says:

    As a real Grandma with two fabulous children and four awesome grandkids, and as a mentor, I feel obligated to encourage you guys! With many decades of professional paid writing, advertising, marketing, photography and PR experience, I know what works.

    Blackpup – you can do it! You have the desire to improve in your heart! Patience is a virtue!

    Jeff B. – You are a kindred spirit and fellow rebel! It does make life harder, though. Go set your default rate at 5.00 cents a word – that is the same rate a client would pay for a level 5 article. You will get some orders. Don’t think if you set it cheaper that you will be happy with the DOs and get more of them because of that. Clients get the quality they pay for! I have even had one pay 10.00 cents a word! It was for something I didn’t particularly want to touch, but they assigned articles to me anyways!

    I don’t mind the research. As a person who is semi-retired, disabled and getting older (LOL almost 63), I have time and like to keep the brain active! I share things I learn with my 6 year old “genius” grandson; that is totally fun.

    Excellent point you made, Jeff, about choosing articles with a longer word count. Hmmm, I think I will add that to the tips section of my eBook about writing for Textbroker, if it isn’t already in there. I have to do a revision of the eBook today to include the new things TB added to the mix. Everyone who already bought one will receive the revision shortly. And remember, the more you know about a topic from your research, the less you need to research for future articles on the same topic, if you have any type of memory at all.

    Jacob – Nice going, level four! You are wise beyond your years about the insight on writing as a skill. Some people have it; others want it, but do not really have it. Many think they can do this, but when it comes down to it, they cannot. As soon as you get 10 level 4s with no negative TB remarks under your belt, be sure to ask them to upgrade you to a level 5. You will then have to write some more goodies, but once you get a 5, you will make great money. That is, when and if they have some level 5 articles to write again! That last blast was just that, a fabulous blast! I have only seen that happen once in two years of writing TB articles.

    Lucy – Maintain your positive attitude. People like us, and others who find TB an answer in the dark, will help that company grow and prosper. If I ever get to Las Vegas, where their office is, I definitely want to drop in and say hi to them. Too bad I am half a country away! Has anyone ever done that?

    Mandy – Thanks for the “bootstraps” reminder. President Ronald Reagan (you all probably do not remember him, our greatest President!) would make that point all the time. The beauty of America is the freedom to do your own thing and pull yourself “up” by your bootstraps. Anyone can do whatever they want, if they have the right attitude, are willing to work hard, do the research, and persist. His favorite comments were about America as the shining city on the hill. There is opportunity for everyone. No one, however, says it is easy or handed to you on a silver platter.

  397. Mandy says:

    Jacob – You are lucky to have found your passion at your age. I, too, received level four ratings consistently before being moved to a level five. However, I believe level five is attainable by anyone, regardless their initial ratings. I’ve been in the working world where you are judged on all sorts of things that have nothing to do with your present work quality – degree, political savvy, etc.

    It’s refreshing to me that Textbroker has formulated a system whereby we are judged on where are. They attach no strings on where we’ve been or where they imagine we’ll go. We should not attach those strings for other writers, as well.

    Albeit, natural writing talent makes the process less painful for some, with hard work and the right attitude, anyone can improve their rating.

    John – I am sure that textbroker is reading the articles prior to rating them. Their email support is excellent and I am sure they would respond to a query about your writing quality. The important thing is not get frustrated. Take a look at the email they just sent regarding the rating changes. They are very clear about what they are looking for. If you really want to improve your rating, then honestly assess where you are lacking in those areas. Spelling and grammar are essential. Give your paragraphs clear topic sentences and transition sentences. Don’t be afraid to focus your articles more succinctly than the broad client description would seem to allow. Take the time to put in the required research even though the pay is so small. Frankly, it does not take long to assess these items in a 400-word piece.

    You don’t need natural talent to do anything. Your desire is always enough. Jacob is right that Textbroker’s rating system is solid. The key to climbing it is dedicating yourself to learning writing fundamentals. As long as you don’t get frustrated along the way, you can definitely do it!

  398. Lucy says:

    Very well spoken – uh, I mean written, Jacob! You not only have the ability to write, but also have the power to focus! I am glad you have found Textbroker (TB)to be a positive experience! I also love writing for TB and think that it is a wonderful opportunity. Keep up the good work!

  399. Jacob says:

    I am only eighteen years old and I was accepted as a level four writer. Since the day of my acceptance, I have been pumping out articles that have been rated as level four pieces. Writing, like singing, is something that many people think they are good at when really, they are not. There are so many aspects and rules of the English language that one must hone to be a decent writer and unfortunately for some, they just do not meet the criteria. I think that Textbroker’s (TB) rating system should be kept the same. If they just let anybody with a marginal understanding of the English language write for them, their respect as a business would decline by their consumers. Not only does TB have a good rating system, they even take time to notify you on what went wrong with your work. That seems pretty generous to me.

  400. Jeff B. says:

    My problem is that I put too much research into articles. I have written only 37 articles for TB so far in about 4 weeks, and yesterday I received my first DO to do 5 review articles every week for a client, but I turned down the offer. Why? Because I had the default 1.5 cent listed and that is only slightly more than what I already make at level 4, so why put myself through the pressure of completing DOs for that amount when I can pick and choose what I want? I did not expect to receive any DOs for awhile to be honest, so I did not change the 1.5 cent default rate.

    Also, Grandma. Thanks for what you wrote about motivation. What is killing my motivation is all the research involved PLUS the distractions. I am definitely that type of rebel you describe who does not like to work for anyone. I have been a contract computer technician for years because of that very reason.

    I have learned something about research and choosing articles, however. Because I do a lot of research on every article I write, I have chosen to do longer article requiring more words. This way I make more money for the time researching…but it’s still a drag. lol

  401. blackpup says:

    John,

    I have only been given a 4 star rating once. That was the only article I did not receive any feedback. Every article I have written, so far, I have received feedback. I agree, though, they need more editors, It is taking forever to get ratings. I am still waiting for feedback from article I wrote June 8th.

  402. Grandma says:

    John, you could ask them for their review of your work and why you have not received a 4 rating. Just in looking quickly at your last comment, I see two problems in sentence one: incorrectly capitalized “If” and wrong spelling of “there.” In fact, every sentence has an error. The comment needs another word after “fact” in sentence two. A comma should be inserted after the word “articles” in sentence three. Sentence four needs a comma after the word “articles” and a semi-colon instead of a comma after the second “longer.”

    I know we submit comments here without proofreading most of the time, but if this comment and your previous one are examples of your work, it may point out why you are not getting a level 4 grade. If there are multiple errors on a consistent basis, the editors will not comment on every point, but they will continue to downgrade your work to an appropriate level.

    Please do not take my comments the wrong way. These are potential reasons why your work is not graded higher. There are simple explanations of what is expected in the TB blog that are very easy to understand. The blogs could help all writers who want to understand what it is that TB wants to receive from authors.

  403. April says:

    John: As with anything else, some will be happy and some will not. Simply going on your posts here (and I know they are only posts), I see a few mistakes that would indicate why you are rated at a 3 so often. As an example– there/their. If you contact Textbroker directly and ask them for a little more feedback as to why your articles are being rated at a 3, I am sure they will respond. There are over 25,000 authors at TB–so no, they don’t give each individual article special attention, but they will give you more feedback than most writing sites will. If you try out some of the other sites, you will find this to be true. I haven’t written for Demand Studios yet, although I was accepted. I have heard numerous complaints about their editors though. I love Constant Content, but you will find the editing process to be much more scrutinous there and very little feedback as to what is wrong with a particular article. Writing for online content sites is much different than writing for publications or college essays, where your article or essay is edited and every mistake pointed out. TB is very willing to work with authors who exhibit a genuine desire to improve their writing. Unfortunately, a large number of people are simply there thinking they can quickly spill out a bunch of badly written content and make a few bucks…and they do, they just never advance to a higher level. That is part of what makes TB great—they are open to anyone and give all a chance to make some extra money, but it is only those who truly take it seriously who advance to the higher levels. Try reading the blogs at TB. There is some great advice in them, and they were created to give authors a little more feedback as to their policies and procedures.

  404. John says:

    They clearly do not read them, If they took the time to actually do there job they would comment. Also I know for fact not every article I have ever written is a level three. I’m sure I have rushed out a few level 2 articles and I refuse to believe I have never written a 4. It takes 3 weeks for them to rate articles and it’s getting longer and longer, the current system is clearly swamped.

  405. Grandma says:

    TB has made a few updates and changes in their rating systems. Everyone should have received an explanatory email today. Changes can already be seen in client orders, evaluations, and for the keyword density tool. I believe as they grow larger, TB will rely on client evaluations a little more, but also they will need to hire more editors for their staff to keep up with the load. I hope they have additional marketing staff to cultivate more of the better orders as well. It is all a good sign that they are growing.

    John – it is common to receive a large bundle of reviews at one time. I am quite sure that does not necessarily correspond to the amount of editor time or scrutiny applied to your articles. I am sure that as the editors become familiar with individual author’s writing skills, that may also play a part in how closely they look at articles. They also have indicated that they do selective closer examination of each author’s work, even the best.

  406. John says:

    Once again a mountain of articles all reviewed at once, once again all given the same rating with no feedback. Its obvious they are over worked and not actually spending anytime rating level 3 articles.

  407. blackpup says:

    LOL, I went nuts yesterday, wrote about 5 articles and made $15 in one day as a 3. I made $41 my last payout and that was from writing only one article a day and even missed a couple of days. This is the first site I have found that you can actually make money on.

  408. Angela says:

    Okay, guys. Hopefully this is going to be the VERY LAST post that I make here today. : ) I’m sorry. I don’t have anybody else to share all of this good news with, so I’m sharing it with you.

    You are COMPLETELY and ABSOLUTELY not going to believe this. I can barely type the words out. Just a few SECONDS ago I got an email … Get this — I was ACCEPTED as a writer at Demand Studios on my reapp! I can’t believe it. I’m really sitting here somewhat in shock. You guys really know your stuff. Thanks so much for your encouragement.

    WOW, just wow. Hmmm, now wondering if I should muster up the nerve to reapply at Suite 101 (maybe the third time’s a charm?) …

    • Felicia says:

      Whoo hoo! Congrats Angela. There’s something to be said about perseverance! Way to go! Now go and let Suite know what they’re missing.

  409. Angela says:

    Oh, guys, I’m back, and I’m so excited! I just completed my first article for Textbroker and it was accepted within 45 minutes! I don’t think that it took me even 10 minutes to write it.

    I can see how I can make this work, even with the pay scale being so low.

    I’m thumbing my nose at DS and S101 right now.

    Thank you all for your encouragement and input. I’ll continue to report my findings with Textbroker once I get a little more experience with them under my belt.

  410. Angela says:

    I appreciate your input, Leigh, and will keep your pointers in mind if I decide to reapply. : )

  411. Leigh says:

    Angela – see my above comment. My tip for being accepted by DS is the same for Suite101. AND, for Suite101 you have to look at their articles and mimic them. Subheadings are a must.

  412. Leigh says:

    I have heard that a lot of professional writers have been rejected by Demand. It may be they are looking for people who are more willing to write by their standards, who knows.

    I was approved my first try. I have a BA in Communications and a professional PR background.

    My tip for being accepted by DS is to act like you are an expert on one topic. If you are approved, you can write on any topic. But they like to see that you can contribute a wealth of knowledge on one thing, and that your background, resume, and samples all support that. So, perhaps someone with a specific trade such as electrical or pets might be more appealing than just a writer. SEO writing is different than other types of writing.

  413. Angela says:

    I first would like to say thank you, Ignatius, for your well-written response. The tips that you provided are very helpful.

    On another note, my ego is reeling right now (and I by no means am one of those ‘How dare they because I’m all that’ kinds of folks). I resubmitted an application to Suite 101 last night and woke up this morning to … yes, you guessed correctly … another rejection letter! To add insult to injury, my app to Textbroker was accepted, but my sample article was only rated a 3! My reapp to DS is now pending, but at this stage it won’t surprise me if it’s also rejected.

    Wow. Clearly the world of online writing is not for the thin-skinned. It just would be so much more helpful to receive a more specific reason when an app is rejected (albeit I know that they probably have an insane number of applications to process). I would think though that a simple check-in-the-box system would solve this problem without the reviewer having to overexert him(her)self.

    I’ll keep plugging away with my blog, Ezine Articles, and now Textbroker. I also intend to add Hub Pages to the line-up, Associated Content, and Info Barrel.

    Hopefully somewhere along the way I’ll figure out why my writing is “not up to standard” for the ones who’ve rejected me.

    Leigh Ann, congratulations on your success with Textbroker.

    Finally, I have to say that I’ve spent some time reading through the archives here. Felicia, thanks so much for all the wonderful info that you’re providing. But for what I’ve read I’d probably be deeply discouraged right now and would opt for a Plan B. The call of residual income, however, is compelling, and I intend to get my share.

  414. Leigh Ann says:

    I’ve really enjoyed reading these comments,there has been some excellent advice given on this forum! I’ve been writing for TB for about 6 weeks and like it. I’ve been fortunate in that all but one of my submissions has been rated as a “4” and I like that I can pick and choose assignments. I just requested my first payout and the money showed up exactly as it was supposed to (always a plus!) I combine TB with other sites (associated content, examiner, experts123) so that I am not relying on only 1 source for income.

  415. Ignatius says:

    Hi y’all,
    I’m definitely not a Demand Studios expert, but I was recently accepted to write there. My suggestion to those who want to apply with DS would be to start with a look at their major websites. Look at eHow and Answerbag. Check out recent articles for style, content and subject matter.

    Like any company, they are looking for people who fill their needs. From what I can discern from my limited time there and my research prior to applying, they are looking for people who can write about business, technology, gardening, cars, do-it-yourself projects and a bit of just about everything else. If you can repair cars or build stuff, you’ll be golden. I think business writing would probably be next best, but look at the topics that dominate the recent additions to eHow.com for topics that fit your skills.

    They are not looking for literary writers. They want topical journalists. I suspect that an accounting degree would catch a DS reviewer’s eye more than an English degree. When you choose or write sample articles, keep in mind that they want journalistic style. Look up “AP Style.” There are many online articles about it. Some are from journalism schools and are quite detailed. Submit your application and samples in that style. Set your word processing program for one space after a period and have it flag passive writing if you don’t think you can spot “passive” yourself.

    FYI, DS has over 200,000 topics to choose from, but a high percentage of them either require way more research than they are worth or are extremely challenging to write within the limits of the Demand Studios formats. Searching for topics is also pretty difficult since so many are incorrectly categorized. So, if you do get in, you may find that it is not what you had in mind. I suspect that I won’t be doing much work there. However, that said, they always have work available, they pay twice a week and many writers do well there.

  416. Angela says:

    Like Lucy, I was rejected by Demand Studios on my first go round which surprised me since I have a Bachelor’s degree in English and a Master’s in Professional Writing. Of course, the rejection email that I received was generic so I don’t really know the specific reason for my rejection.

    I’d also like some tips on getting accepted with them.

    BTW, Felicia, I love this site and am so happy that I stumbled upon it.

  417. marcyt says:

    I’ve belonged to Textbroker for a year now and have nothing but good to say about them…I bounce in my rating between a 4 and a 3…when I am a 4 I really take advantage of writing…this week I am a 4 and I’ve earned $100 easily, and I worked full-time at my job this week! Last July, when I wasn’t working at all, I earned $600 being a 3…I have NO problems with them…to me this is a Godsend…it’s great for that extra income we need. They’ve even stood up for me when a client refused an article, and not only paid me, but rated it a 4!!! Join Textbroker…they are great.

  418. Lucy says:

    I have tried a couple of times to get approved by Demand Studios to no avail. I do not have a journalism degree, but I do have college English . . . still no go. Any hints to getting accepted would be appreciated! I didn’t see anything about how long you have to wait to reapply. I am a 4 star at Texbroker, but working on a 5!

  419. larkspur says:

    Hi Newbie – Yes, I really like copy editing so far. You have a quota to meet of 75 articles each week though. This week I had no problem reaching it, but in previous weeks, I have had a tougher time (I work full time also). You get paid $3.50 per article. That is editing and fact checking. It can add up pretty quickly, especially if you have well-written articles. It goes in spurts. Sometimes I am able to go through and approve a bunch of them, others I spend 20 minutes on a single article. You just never know!

  420. blackpup says:

    grandma:

    good points about how difficult it is to be a freelancer. I do find it hard to motivate myself to write, especially in articles I know nothing about. However, sometimes that is all that is available. Good thing I have a day job.

  421. blackpup says:

    Well so much for my 4 star rating, my last two were rated 3 again. On the good side, no comma errors, on the bad side the editor apparently found flaws in my sentence structures. I’m beginning to wonder if some editors are much more picky then others.

    Perhaps it might behoove me to take a free writing course.

    Stupid question, but what exactly does a copy editor do? What is DS?

  422. newbie says:

    I’m just getting started in online writing, and this website has been an awesome source of information. Thanks, Felicia!

    I have a question for larkspur – Can you tell me more about your experiences copy editing for DS? I just did the copy editing test and I’m waiting to hear if I am accepted. Is it working out well for you?

  423. Grandma says:

    I think one of the hardest things about working as a freelancer is staying motivated. When things are easy, motivation is not an issue; when there is plenty of work from which to choose, motivation is not an issue. But, when it is slow, or other stressful things encroach upon your mental work attitude, motivation becomes a problem. It is rather like trying to keep wet wood burning. You have to keep trying and search to find that little dry spot that will catch on fire again.

    Working independently also requires discipline, which may be one reason many choose freelancing, because they (I) lack the discipline to do the ordinary chores of an ordinary job. Or, they (I) may just be a type of rebel against the “norm” and routine jobs. On a “normal” job, the task is laid out, usually without a lot of freedom of choice/non-choice. You know what to do, how to do it, and you do it. The day passes by. When you are trying to work at home, there are constant distractions and interruptions above and beyond the mental gymnastics you have to do to remain focused and disciplined to do your work. There are many choices that can interfere with a work session, because, as a freelancer, you can always “do it later” when things quiet down.

    Having this freedom of choice of what to do with your time is good and bad. The very freedom we (I) want interferes with productivity. It fills your day with things that may not result in a paycheck like you would have at a “normal” job. Oh well, I digress from what I should be doing…

  424. Kate says:

    Does anyone know what the rule is with the W9 in terms of quarterly vs annual taxes? Thanks

  425. Mandy says:

    Great job, Blackpup!

  426. Grandma says:

    Congratulations Blackpup!

  427. blackpup says:

    I have received my first 4 star rated article from TB. I am so excited I cannot contain myself. I know it is only one, but I have only been writing for a month. I hope the next four also get a 4 star rating, guess I will wait and see.

  428. blackpup says:

    I need some help. I was told about a site called digital point. There is a forum called content creation in which clients and writers post their needs. My question is if a client is posting that he/she needs a writer to do work, how do we know that this person is trustworthy for payment? Since I am very new, I do not know all the ins and outs, so to speak. Also, for someone that is a level 3 (according to TB), what is a fair wage to offer or accept? There are some posts about clients needing writers to post in forums. Why would they need that? What is a going rate for something like that?

    Thanks for any help – it is appreciated. Now if TB would rate my article. I have 14 they need to rate. I have now written 26 articles, I have only had 2 ask for revisions, and everyone has been accepted. For me, that is wonderful.

  429. Jeff B. says:

    Isn’t it strange how one place will reject you and another will accept? I wonder if it just depends on timing and what reviewer you get. I think you could get in now with Bright Hub, Felicia…and anyone else who wants to try…because they are in need of new writers for certain channels right now. Here is a list of channels on Bright Hub that they need writers for:

    New Channels in Electronics Category: Channels:Cameras & Camcorders, Gizmos & Gadgets, MP3 Players & iPods

    Mobile Category: Channels: Accessories, Android, Blackberry, Games, HTC, iPhone, LG, Motorola, News, Nokia, Palm, Phone Plans & Carriers, Samsung, Windows Mobile

    New Channels in Education Category: Channels: College, Post Graduate

    New Channels in the DIY Category: Channels: Automotive, Decorating, Home Improvement, Lawn & Garden

    Once you get approved for a channel, it is easy to get approved for other channels. I signed up for some of these others and am now approved to write for 9 channels without having written anything for them yet. lol

    When I submitted a sample writing, I just sent them my Textbroker articles that were related in some way to the channels I applied for, and I told them the samples were written for clients via Texbroker as ghostwritten articles and no proof the articles were written by me, but they are my writings. They had no problem with that apparently.

    Some learning curve to getting started, however. You have to download and run through some PowerPoint slides, and read some articles on how to pitch an article, how to write an article using their system, and so on. I’m not done yet with all the tutorials.

    They pay $10 per article when you start with them ($15 when you become a senior writer). Plus you get $1 for every quality backlink to your article you manage to get. Plus you get 60 percent of the revenue generated (about $3 per 1000 views). So if you have 10,000 views on an article, it would be worth $30, and you get 60% of that, so $18. The Managing Editor of the channel gets 15% and the Contributing Editor of the channel gets 25%. They expect a minimum of 450 words per article, and I think at first you can only write 5 articles before they put your account on hold. But as soon as you have 100 views on those articles within the first 30 days, collectively, they lift the hold. They put a lot of emphasis on optimizing the articles for SEO, doing keyword research…and they have a lot of tutorials on how to accomplish that.

    That is all I know about it right now.

    • Felicia says:

      Thanks for the great info, Jeff.

      I’m a firm believer that everything happens for a reason. BrightHub’s rejection stung a bit, but I’ve fully recovered. It sounds like a sweet deal if you stick with it.

  430. larkspur says:

    Chris – I would have been very mad about that, too. That really doesn’t seem professional at all and I agree that TB should have stood by you on that one. It really doesn’t seem fair. I hope you can use that text somewhere else!

    I haven’t been writing much for TB. I did three articles yesterday but that was the most I have done in weeks. I have been working at DS as a copy editor mostly. I wrote a few articles for them just to try my hand at them. They were OK but I invested a lot more time in them than I did with TB articles.

  431. Chris says:

    Hey, everyone. I got my first DO request a few days ago. Unfortunately, it didn’t end up working out.

    I got a DO request from a return client for 650 words. I took my time because I wanted my work to be particularly flawless (I felt special–after all, the client picked me out of all the writers on TB) and submitted the final piece in about an hour. The grand total worked out to $32.50 (my DO rate is 5 cents per word) and I was really happy with what I’d done.

    I was happy, that is, until I received a revision request from the client. My first thought was that I screwed up, but it turns out the client didn’t realize my DO rate was 5 cents per word. He’d hoped to pay about about $10 dollars. I’m not sure why he didn’t realize until then the total was actually $30 dollars. Doesn’t TB charge clients a head of time when they submit their article requests? Anyway, he wrote in the revision request that TB asked him to message me to see if I’d be willing to sell the article at a lower rate.

    I read the request on my Blackberry while I was out and about and forgot to respond to the client when I got home. I figured it was best I didn’t respond right then because my Italian temper would have got the best of me! I’m sure the client meant well but I think professionalism is a two-way street–a client should know what he’s getting himself into before he hires someone. I ended up not responding at all and the request passed through the TB system. The revision request is gone now, and I admit I feel a little spiteful. In hindsight, I guess I should have just taken $10 for the article. $10 would have been better than what I’m left with now, which is $0 and 650 words I’ll have a hard time finding a use for in the future. But I was just so POed about writing a piece for $30 and then, upon completion, being told it was a mistake. It might just be me–I’m a perfectionist, but if I make mistakes, I apologize profusely and bend over backwards to make the situation better. ie. If i was in the client’s shoes, I would have just paid the $30 bucks because I’d made a mistake.

    Ah, oh well. Live and learn! Now, back to writing.

    P.S. And I’m not lowering my DO rate, either! LOL.

  432. Jeff B. says:

    I was just rejected by DS, which did not surprise me really. I have no writing credentials or college degree. I was also rejected by Break Studios, which did surprise me. I have read that BS usually accepts everyone. lol.

    But I am happy to say that I was accepted to write for Bright Hub for the Web Development channel, and I fully expected to be rejected by them also. lol. They pay $10 an article plus residuals and a byline, but I read it is a bit of a chore for some to really become established there because you have to deal directly with a channel editor and the system for submission is considered a little odd or difficult by some.

    Do any of you fellow TBers write for Bright Hub? What has been your experience with them?

  433. Saurus says:

    I find that writing for DS is a simple job. One image per article and it only takes me three seconds to find something. As for a caption, think about it while you write the article.

    It’s simple, but I hate it. Half of those CEs are not on par with each other and some are just outright outrageous.

  434. Leigh says:

    The writers at WPLH do not complain about TB. They complain about DS 🙂 But every day there are new writers joining the forum and learning from it.

    That forum was the reason I joined TB, because they spoke so highly of it.

  435. Grandma says:

    Leigh, have you mentioned to those other TB writers about Felicia’s blog? One thing I noticed in looking at some other blogs about TB is that all the people did was to complain about the pay, the editors, etc. This blog is far more positive and helpful.

  436. Mandy says:

    Jim – I haven’t written anything to DS yet. But, as you pointed out, adding the images, etc. to those articles increases the time and lessons your hourly rate. I’ll try a handful of articles. TB articles took me forever and a day when I first started and now I can crank one out relatively quickly. I want my writing skills to be on par for future, more lucrative venues and clients, i.e. I want to write well enough to be qualified to earn more money from all sources. Hence, I take the time to always write my best.

    My hubby and I were just discussing my earnings goals. I’m glad he’s holding me accountable, but I gotta get cranking! I believe that’s true for everyone.

    I just signed up for Associated Content. So, we’ll see how I can do for upfront pay there as well.

    Once I make my modest upfront earnings goal, then I will incorporate residual writing. So far, my biggest obstacle has not been the pay rates for these sites, rather it has been my own lack of self-discipline. If I put in the time, I can usually make a decent hourly rate.

    Working from home would be a challenge for anyone. I don’t imagine that I am any worse off in the attention-span department. I’ve just developed bad habits over the years of being able to do an eight-hour job extremely well in half the time it took some. I’ve never been ambitious in my career goals before now and my employers were always thrilled with me even if I were goofing off a little.

    Mom was right: doing your best is ALWAYS in your best interest. I have some bad habits that are biting me now. 🙂

    One good thing about being your own worst enemy: the next step is usually a no-brainer, even if it is tough. If I consistently push my limits and never give up, I know I will reach my goals. I believe that’s true for everyone – so hang in there.

  437. Leigh says:

    blackpup: you should get a FF plugin called Lazarus. It saves what you type in forms so if anything happens you just call it back up from Lazarus by right-clicking. Very easy to use.

    As for depending on TB only, I would go crazy. I write for TB, DS, Suite101, WordGigs, a Virtual Assistant team, and LeapForce all from home in addition to my own online pet gift shop and blog, my pt office job, and my band that plays every weekend. And I’m still poor!

  438. Leigh says:

    Not to take away from this blog, but Felicia or Grandma or anyone else, do you ever use the forum at http://www.workplacelikehome.com ? There is one thread dedicated to online writing and I check it every day. There are tons of TB writers there.

  439. Jim says:

    Strategic Planning: I’ve been writing for TB and DS for the past several months. I agree with Mandy that if TB doesn’t have a reasonable inventory of 5 rated orders, then what’s the point? I’ve been rated 4 consistently for my last 60 articles with TB and applied for the 5 rating. I would really rather not write for DS even though they pay $15 per article. While that seems like a better rate for a 400 word article, the time that it takes to add all of the images, captions, reference URL’s and resource URL’s reduces this $15 rate to something more in line with the return from TB orders. And with TB, you don’t have to deal with the sometimes inane comments from DS CEs.

    My thoughts are to make TB a significant source of writing income, although as Grandma pointed out, we shouldn’t totally depend on any one source. I’m applying for Wisegeek now and we’ll see how that goes.

    Anybody have any thoughts on our future with TB and diversification?>

  440. Grandma says:

    This is a great blog. I think what I like is that people can go back to the beginning easily. It makes it a nice resource, especially for new visitors. When you switched to that other layout, it was much harder to go back and see what had been said previously.

    I used to participate in a weekly chat session with some viewers and one of the reality stars from a daytime tv show, Starting Over. Jill Tracey was the star and she would host the chat. That was fun, but it did not last. The show ended, there was some trouble with the chat room, and so on.

  441. Mandy says:

    Well, if the 5-star orders don’t come back, then I will be very disappointed in Textbroker because they sent an email indicating that they would remain plentiful.

    You’re right, Grandma, to not rely on one thing too much. Still, that email was not appropriate if it wasn’t true.

    For the four star articles, I try to stick with a specific topic to research because I am developing specific niche knowledge. If I can find 4-star articles that I don’t have to research, then I can make nearly the hourly rate that I do for the 5-star articles.

    Looks like this week I will be writing for Demand Studios. I’m a little nervous because of all the complaints about them!

    I’ll look on the bright side: with the 5-star orders dried up and DS less than appetizing, I may just have the push I need to develop the residual writing. That’s tough to do when you need the money now, though!

    If it weren’t for that email, I wouldn’t be disappointed with TB because the current supply of 5-star orders is the norm.

  442. Jeff B. says:

    Hey, Felicia…this blog of yours is huge! I think you may have created something new. Call it a “Blog Forum”. I have never seen another blog like this with so many comments.lol. Really amazing. Maybe you should create a writer’s forum. You can get a good free forum at yuku.com for 30 days, but then they charge 6 bucks a month to keep it ad free. Another good one is lefora.com, but same thing about the ads.
    If you have this blog hosted on your own web host server with Cpanel and Fantastico, you can install a forum free with a Fantastico script.
    You ever decide to set one up and need someone to do the admin part of it to get it configured according to the forum software options, let me know. I will do it for free. I have set up yuku forums before and two different types of forums that come as a free option with Fantastico scripts on Hostgator servers.
    Yuku is really good though and has a lot of nice templates, plus you can change the header with a design of your choosing, change the colors, background, etc…and it is one of the few forum templates that allows you to post embedded YouTube videos. It also has a donate link for members to help support it so that it stays ad free.
    I’m sure some of these guys and gals on here would serve as volunteer moderators.
    Just a thought.

    • Felicia says:

      Jeff, this is something that I’ve been toying with in the back of my mind. The big issue is that I would have to rely very heavily on folks who know more about setting up and moderating forums than I do.

      If you don’t mind, Jeff, once I have a little more time to think about it, I’d like to run a few ideas by you. Things are kind of busy for me right now, but when things settle, I’d like to talk about this off line.

  443. blackpup says:

    question – should I capitalize names of websites. For example “the four best travel sites are Expedia, Orbitz, Travelocity and Priceline?

    grandma, no I have only had time to skim your e-book, I do have a day job in which I am working 50 hours a week. That is why I can only write one article a day.

    It will all get read, your e-book, all the posts on this blog, all the posts on the TB blog. It will just take awhile. LOL.

    “Good things come to those who wait”.

  444. Jeff B. says:

    Oh, yeah, blackpup. Level 3 is fine. I don’t know why so many on other forums complain about it. Most people start at level 3 from what I have read on this blog, and many of them move on up to level 4 in short order. It seems some writers who have a formal education in writing get most upset about being classified as a 3, but TB bases that initial rating on that first writing sample, not on credentials. Some people become offended and quit too soon.

    TB may have tens of thousands of writers signed up, but not that many are really active. Otherwise, most level 3 and 4 orders would disappear overnight.

  445. Grandma says:

    Blackpup….you didn’t finish my eBook yet or you would have read in the tips to work offline to avoid such problems! LOL Happens to us all, I believe. When I was working on a laptop, I was constantly losing text when I accidently moved it back a page. Once I figured out that problem, I began to work offline. Even offline, you must constantly save as a backup while you work or you can lose that to a power failure.

    No matter how you try to proofread, things still seem to slip by. It is very good to have another person also proof your articles, and read them aloud. Even with an offline program, you still cannot rely on anything other than your own eyes and brain. Some programs have “auto correct” but I turn that off because it makes things even worse. For example, it turned my typing of “oven” into “over” a couple times. Even if I was tired, I did not make that error. Only by proofing a couple times did I find all the mistakes. It is frustrating to people who can type, spell and know rules of grammar.

    As for the category 5 articles, the past month or so was very unusual, and most of those thousands of orders were from two or three clients who each placed hundreds of articles. The norm is much, much less and more like now. That is why I have a hard time believing in the sustainability of trying to do TB full time. But the flood of orders recently was a blast! I did notice that one of the clients is now placing articles into the category 4 level; it is cheaper by far. Still, they get what they pay for and many times it doesn’t matter in the end to them. Just hope that TB continues soliciting more good orders.

  446. Lucy says:

    Blackpup – Ouch! I am not sure if you were working in the Textbroker dialog box or in a word processing program, but this is what I do: When I go to choose a title, I copy the whole window (the “count down/time left info.”) and paste that into a Word or Notepad document as this gives me the name of the article, word length and payment amount due. I then save that document by the Article Title. Then, I “select” to write the article and copy that window (this gives me the client instructions, and exact date and time article is due) into the same Word document and resave.

    After I type the article and resave, I then copy/paste it into Textbroker’s diaglog box. I realize this is redundant work, but I like having all of my article information on one page! Hope this helps!

  447. blackpup says:

    Make sure you save your work constantly, I just accidentally hit the wrong button and lost all of my work I had just written. Arghhhhhhh!!

  448. blackpup says:

    Jeff – I am a level 3. I have no complaints about TB at all. It is the best money making site I have found on the internet. Sure level 3 does not pay much, but I am striving to get to level 4. Since I am an inexperienced writer, I know it will be a bit. yes, eventually I would like to succeed to level 5.

    To tell the truth, I asked a friend of mine where he was making his internet money from, and he told me about TB. I did not know if I would be any good at writing because I had never written an article in my life. I thought I’d give it a try, 24 articles later, I am really enjoying this.

    Hopefully, with feedback from TB, I can find my flaws, correct them, and get to that level 4 status.

    It was stated earlier that you should read your articles out loud before you release them. I found this to be true. I had proofread one of my articles about 3 times before I sent it in. After I sent it in, I read it out loud to my hubby. I found several errors when I did this. Oh well, to late now. Learn for another day.

  449. Lucy says:

    Jeff B., I agree with you about some of the instructions being weird and so detailed that it would be almost impossible to please the client! I try to steer clear of those. I haven’t blacklisted anyone yet, but I do look to see if they have a high return rate! I really enjoy writing for TB.

  450. Jeff B. says:

    Grandma, thanks for addressing that. I was wondering how TB could make any money from only .30 a pop. Well, that is fair enough.

    I keep looking around for opportunities other than TB, but so far I must say that TB is the best really. I think if a person can just get to that level 5, then some good money can be made with TB. I get around online, and forum after forum there are many complaints about all of the other gigs….Demand Studios, Associated Content, Constant Content, and many others. Nothing bad about TB except from writers who were rated level 3 or less and could not get any higher, or from writers in countries that are ineligible to work for TB.

    But I see now the level 5 orders have dried up completely, and many of the level 4 orders have weird instructions or require too much research. I have already blacklisted a few clients simply because I did not like their instructions. lol. The more general and vague the instructions, the better. I like the ones who have maybe 1 or 2 keywords they are aiming for and tell you to write about whatever you want that is related to those keywords. Those are easy.

  451. Grandma says:

    Blackpup, there is a little virtual image of the eBook at the top of this thread, next to Felicia’s original post. Click on that photo and you can order the book there. It should help you get started. I have written for TB since Aug 2008, about 2600 articles now, and have learned a lot about them. It is fine to start slow!

    Still, top notch is top notch, and that usually means perfect. No comma errors. LOL

    About the rules…TB sets the rules for what TB wants. There is no reason for anyone to think that TB must do anything other than what they are wanting to do on their own website. They sign the checks.

    That is the way life is with any boss.

  452. blackpup says:

    grandma and Leigh, thanks for clarifying that for me. I had no idea. I thought clients were saying my writing was excellent. What do I know. I’m new to this entire writing thing.

    grandma – I wasn’t saying saying “my” writing skills were top notch, far from it, I was just using that as a general phrase.

    grandma – I read on this blog you have an ebook for sale about TB, may I have the link please.

    I have only been writing for three weeks (since I joined TB). I started at a level 3, and that is where I remain. I have never done any writing before joining. I would like to get some help as to any shortcuts on how to filter through all the articles. It takes me so long to decide which ones to write, plus filtering through everything. I have taken some level 2 articles, just because they were very easy to write.

    Any help for a newbie would be great. I have read the TB blog, and this blog and other site about using correct commas. I am learning much.

    I am not making much, as I cannot write much, but my last payout did pay for my car gas.

  453. Joe says:

    Right when they approved me for level 5, all of the 5-star orders dried up. Does anyone know if/when that client will place more orders? I am so bummed out right now!

  454. Lucy says:

    Demand Studios – do you have to have a journalism degree to get accepted there?

  455. Leigh says:

    Blackpup: because the people who are ordering articles usually can’t write. They aren’t saying “your writing is excellent,” they are saying “you followed my directions. Excellent.”

  456. Grandma says:

    Blackpup – sometimes they get backed up and it takes longer. You will probably get a whole batch back at one time.

    How do you figure writing skills are top notch if your commas are not correct?

    Clients are not a resource for editing skills. Many order articles because they cannot write well. Some have poor language skills. Go to the TB blogs and read the posts about grammar. Find a link to the blog at the bottom of the website landing page.

  457. Grandma says:

    Jeff:
    Some clients are offered an extended time to pay for orders. Examples of a special case would be if a client must be out of town for a week, etc. I had a bunch that took over 7 days for that reason. If you have any questions about a particular order, email TB with the question and the client number and/or order number and they will answer your question. Weekends slow things down, and holidays.

    As for payment, this may explain a bit of your question about the pay schedule. You can find this by looking under both the client and author information on the TB website under “payment” tab.

    Level 4 pay according to TB schedule on website:
    .022 client x 300 words = 6.60 client pays for that article
    .014 author x 300 words = 4.20 author gets paid for that article

    The difference is the TB commission, about 36%. (I am not a math expert)

    6.60 – 30% = 4.62 6.60 – 36% = 4.24
    4.20 + 30% = 5.46

    CLIENT PRICE:
    • Your displayed rate includes Textbroker’s commission of 30%
    • The minimum price for DirectOrders is 0.0195 USD per word. (price including commission)
    1) Each order will be charged a 0.30 USD processing fee.

    AUTHOR PRICE: “Please note Textbroker will add a 30% commission to all DirectOrders, which will be included in client’s final price.” (Plus that 30 cent fee per order)

    Again, if you have a question about payment, it should be directed to TB, as they are the final authority on questions about their operations.

  458. Doran says:

    @Lucy

    More than one occasion I have taken an article assignment because I had time on my hands and then my off-line biz got demanding and I have had to let it go back to the assignment pile. I have never been penalized so I do not think it is held against you. Once I was past the deadline by an hour because I got mixed on the time due when I first started with TB. Again there was no penalty other than the article could not be submitted because it automatically goes back to the assignments if not submitted at the due time and date.Fortunately for me I was able to sell the article to Associated Content for more than I was making at TB so it wasn’t a loss.

  459. Jeff B. says:

    Takes forever for some of these TB clients to accept an article. 24 articles written so far, and my first 15 were accepted same day. For some reason these last 9 have been slow to be accepted. Looks like 6 of them are going to go the 3 day duration without acceptance. Sucks.

    I also noticed the prices listed on TB for clients seem to be off. Level 4 is listed with the rate of 0.022, and that is without the 30 cent commission tacked on. So a 300 word article should pay $6.60, right? We are getting about a third less than that. So did TB lower the rates at some point in time?

    It shows level 5 writers get more than 3 times what level 4 writers do. Is this correct? If so, wow. I need to shoot for that level 5. Being level 4 is ok, but still takes a lot of writing to make a decent sum.

  460. blackpup says:

    How come TB doesn’t take into consideration rating by clients? I am a level 3, I am trying to get to a level 4 and the clients who do rate, most have rated my work as excellent. However, TB seems to think my work is only good. I emailed TB and told them that my work has been rated as excellent and if they would consider promoting me to level 4. They basically said no, I have problems with commas. So,writing skills could be top notch, but because of those pesky commas, they will not upgrade you.

    When does TB normally review articles. It has been over 7 days since my last article has been reviewed. Thanks

  461. Mandy says:

    Lucy – No it does not count against you at all.

  462. Lucy says:

    I was wondering if letting articles expire or returning an article prior to expiration is held against you? I am trying for a 5 star rating, but this week have had an article expire because I was tied up away from home. Any thoughts?

  463. Mandy says:

    Yep, I definitely did burn out. The article I thought expired, in fact did not, and I successfully submitted it. I can’t even begin to understand how I was confused!

    I am trying my hand at some DS articles for the first time until some more TB articles are posted.

    I knew DS would be my back-up upfront pay earner. I have just been avoiding them because of the multitude of writers who are unhappy with their editors.

  464. Mandy says:

    Could I be burned out on TB? For the second time in two weeks I have let an article expire while writing it. Aaaarrrggh!

    Oh 5-star’s, pleeaassseee return! I hope this famine doesn’t last long!

  465. Lisa Reed says:

    Hello every one. I have not written for TextBroker in a while, but the last few articles that I wrote was rated a level 2. I had not reached a level 3 yet and they lowered me to a level 2, so I decided to give it a rest for a while. I just looked on their site and noticed that the articles that are there are mostly by people that like to reject articles, so I am not going there. Especially since I have been knocked down to a level 2; I guess I will just keep checking back every so often.

  466. Grandma says:

    Having a lot of experiences from which to draw is one benefit of being older. I started early and have always been doing some type of writing for pay. Sometimes you do not understand things and their value until a lot later on in life. Focus and keep working on stuff, and it will materialize.

  467. Saurus says:

    @John – They do review it; they just like to send it/make it viewable all in one batch.

  468. blackpup says:

    Hello,

    I found this site by doing a Google search for reviews on textbroker. This is a nice site with a lot of informative posts. However, the posts go back two years, so it will take some time to read all of them.

    I have been a member for two weeks. I wrote 14 articles, three are still pending. I am a level three. Any recommendations, hints, tips that you can give a newbie like me so that I can get to level 4. All of my articles have been accepted, two came back for a revision. I have had three clients rate my work as excellent, and one rate as good. No other clients have rated me.

    All of my articles, except the pending three, have been reviewed by textbroker as a three.

    To the person that calls herself “Grandma”, you rock, a level five, wow! That is awesome. You must have a lot of experience.

  469. John says:

    It’s pretty clear to me that they are not actually rating the articles at all. Suddenly this afternoon I had 13 articles all “reviewed” at 6pm.

  470. Grandma says:

    Saurus, thanks for that tip! That is new! And appreciated. I have often wondered what I have written for some of these client numbers…and why I put some on the blacklist…etc. That is a cool feature. I am guessing that the clients can also see what articles a particular author has written for them also, but I do not know that for sure.

  471. Kevin says:

    Have any of you ever refused to write an article for something you know is a scam? The pickings have been a little slim the last few days and I saw a whole slew of articles some one wanted praising an HGH (Human Growth Hormone) spray that I know to be a total scam. So even though I need some assignments, I have just said no to writing any, even though for my rating those are about the only ones existent right now–at least that I know anything about.

    I lost one good one the other day that I ended up putting back because the instructions were not clear and the client took his sweet time emailing me back. I wish clients would go over their instructions for clarity in the same way they would insist we do for articles we submit.

  472. Saurus says:

    Yeah, I won’t bother wondering about the blacklisting anymore. I contracted a new direct order client now at my new rate.

    Also, I just noticed that TB put in something so when you visit the client page, you see a list of the orders you’ve written for them. Finally!

  473. Chris says:

    Thanks for the help, everyone. I was unaware that the editors keep notes among themselves. I think I’ll just continue writing without e-mailing again. I know the editors are busy and I’m sure my e-mail would just do more harm than good.

    As far as blacklisting goes–I only have one client on blacklist and the feeling is evidently mutual. LOL. I wouldn’t take the blacklisting personally, though. Check out the client’s rejection/revision rate–if it’s high, maybe that client is just tough to please.

  474. Crystal says:

    Chris – It’s unlikely that you’ve been overlooked. Last fall, after 100 articles rated level 4 and many with positive client feedback, I sent a second request and got a response that they had my original request and a note in my file. I also got some feedback, however, that I needed to watch my commas and work on my style. So a second request might elicit the specific feedback you desire or it may just annoy the powers that be.

    On the blacklisting – don’t give it much thought. From the client end of things, I have a couple of authors on my blacklist simply because I was doing an experiment and wanted a variety of styles. I’ve yet to go back and remove the blacklist designation as my experiment is complete and I’ve not logged in again as a client. As an author, I’ve been blacklisted by two clients – one is a mutual blacklisting and the other is a mystery as I keep a list of all articles written by client number and that one isn’t on my list. So who knows?
    .-= Crystal´s last blog ..Diabetic Friendly Frosting from Granny’s Test Kitchen =-.

  475. Grandma says:

    You could try asking again about your rating. See if the level 5 articles are open to you when you check for open articles. They hardly ever rate articles at a 5. That is not how you get upgraded to a level 5, although it is how you could become downgraded if you get a bunch of 3 ratings.

    Holidays always slow down things. It should pick up again shortly.

  476. Leigh says:

    Chris,

    Once you ask to be reviewed for a level 5, they mark your account as such so that all editors know this.

    You can email them to make sure there is a note of this on your account, and you can ask for some feedback on an article or two. The editors make notes on your articles that we don’t see. If you write asking for some assistance, they may send you an article with all editor’s notes in tact. They did this once for me and it was enlightening. I would just ask them to assist you on one or two specific articles rather than all 40, however 🙂

    Leigh
    .-= Leigh´s last blog ..Pet Product Warning: Virbac Animal Health’s CET Aquadent =-.

  477. Chris says:

    Hi all,

    I’d like to thank everyone for posting such helpful information in this thread. I’ve been writing for Textbroker since January and I’ve made it a point to check this thread often to read the new comments.

    I’ve truly enjoyed my time writing for Textbroker. My only complaint is that I haven’t yet managed to reach level 5 classification. I was initially accepted as a level 4 writer and I’ve since submitted 65 articles. All my articles have been rated a 4 and I’ve received only positive feedback from clients and Textbroker editors.

    After Textbroker sent an e-mail out about its need for level 5 writers, I submitted a request for Textbroker to evaluate my work for level 5 consideration. I just had a batch of roughly 40 articles rated and I was hoping to be raised to level 5. But, alas, all my articles were rated level 4. I just wish Textbroker would have given me some feedback because I’m curious as to what was wrong with my work. I put in extra time at Textbroker because I was hoping for a promotion. It’s especially difficult right now because there’s been a shortage of level 4 work lately.

    Sorry for ranting, but I needed to vent! LOL. Do any of you think it would be a good idea for me to send Textbroker a follow-up email? Is there a chance I was overlooked?

  478. Cynthia says:

    On the “blacklisting” subject: I have had just finished writing two DO’s from a client. Here’s the kicker. That client had previously rated the first regular article a “poor” (never asked for a revision, just accepted it & slapped a bad rating on it) I wrote her and apologized, but expressed that I wished that she had given me a chance to fix it for her, but that I felt I had followed her directions as best I could. I did not get a response, and I blacklisted her. Then I got the 2 DO’s from her…how weird is that, huh? Could she have thought I was another writer? lol 🙂

  479. Grandma says:

    I guess whether one likes Textbroker or not is a matter of opinion and experience. I made over $6000 just in April and May so far, so I like them and do not think the pay is lousy. Most of the articles were category 5, but even if they had been at level 4, it would have been about $2000,